Harry Turner 0:05
Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to this season premiere of season three, episode one of the IS THAT SOO show, y'all know I was coming back. So we have a theme. For the past couple of seasons, my theme has been equanimity. Today, I've chosen a theme for my audience. And this, this is an ideal component I need you to hold for this entire season. And that's curiosity. So I evoke, I summon, I stare at because wherever attention goes, energy flows, I stare at curiosity. And I ask and I invite you to please hold some curiosity. As we go through this. episode one of season three is about shadow work. I have my friend, Michael Padurano, the entrepreneurs guide. And my brother he said, I've been everywhere, I've been everything. I've done it all. And so I have him in as the first one that's going to usher us into this new season when we do when we talk about shadow work. I'm gonna bring I'm bringing experts from around the globe, to meet me on this stage for this season, being very specific about who I choose. And I'm specific about who I choose in general, but specific to the topic of shadow work. I'm being specific about what she was in bringing on this show. Because I want you all to understand, like truly understand the benefits of shadow work, there can be no true awakening, if you don't dive in, in light of those areas. So I'm gonna invite the brother in on the stage right now. How's it going? Welcome to the stage, brother. How you doing today man?
Michael Padurano 1:53
I'm doing all right, man. I've got an extra kid upstairs. So I have the pleasure of having four kids in the house right now, which is makes me outnumbered four to one. So it's always about balancing these odds. Like shadow work, right? Shadow Work is man, the minute you start jumping into it, it's just it. It just gets you from every direction.
Harry Turner 2:13
Yeah, man. And speaking on that brother. So before we jump into the heavy topic, tell the people a little bit about your background, why should people hear you out?
Michael Padurano 2:22
Because I've lived it. That's it. I don't have the credentials that everybody else has. I don't have the the traditional education. I have experience. And I've made enormous global companies. I've signed government contracts, I work with the UNDP. For years, I've done many different things in my life. I've built businesses from nothing. I've built him with partners and built companies, for people, that's my happy place, like helping others get their awareness and spread their voice to impact others. So a lot of time, I spent it in the background, but that's okay. And I'm happy with that. This is a new term for me to move into the forefront a little bit. And I've always been I've shared my whole transformation journey over the last two and a half years and haven't hid anything, the crying the laughing, crying so hard I've got boogers flying out of all my face. I mean, I did it. All right, and I shared it with the world. I mean, it's on my YouTube, it's gonna be there forever, because that's the real journey. Right? And I want people to understand what it's really like, there is no faking it, right? Like, you have a choice on this shadow work journey on any transformation journey, right? Like beyond your shadow. Or you can take a step and go 100 backwards, you can take a step, you can keep taking another 10. Or you can just not take them.
Unknown Speaker 3:38
What is Shadow Work?
Michael Padurano 3:42
Again, right, like, I think this is a personal quest. So I think there's this hypothesis of a definition. But who's really defined this right, because this is something that shamans have been taking people on journeys for 1000s of years, right. So where did we really get the name for this. And I always like to create my own definitions, because I'm just like doing it. For me. For me, Shadow Work is digging into the darkness that exists within us. Looking at the, I don't want to say worst or best parts because it's just another piece of us. There's a yin and a yang, there's a light in the dark and all of us. And until we're willing to embrace it, heal it and work through it. We're never going to be balanced. We're never going to be our own individual yin and yang, and we'll never be whole
Harry Turner 4:33
Balance, when you think of balance. And you mentioned Ying and Yang and I really would like my people again, evoking curiosity. The mind only works it works like a parachute. It only works when it's open. And so envoking curiosity and thinking about ying and yang. We're energetic beings. And it sounds like you're honing in on that theme of homeostasis or balance, finding the balance as these forces collide.
Michael Padurano 4:56
I don't know if the reference is a real balance, right? Like we could read We go into this and talk about masculine and feminine energy, right? And how we all have both within us. But at what point do we look at this, and we say, there's many layers to the living beings that we are. There's a human layer, there's the spiritual layer, there's the energetic layer, there's the emotional layer, there's the mental layer, right? And until we can align ourselves, live into our true soul centered soul purpose, then we're never going to find true happiness, we're never going to find true joy. We're never going to give ourselves permission to be exactly who we are.
Harry Turner 5:38
What Why is it what? Why wouldn't we give ourselves permission? What does it even mean to not give ourselves permission to be who we are, for those of us who are listening and thinking, I am lying, I'm awake, I'm who I am every day, like what you mean, I'm not who I am.
Michael Padurano 5:50
I mean, if you're going to work, and you're listening to your boss, and it goes against your values, if you know what your values are, if they weren't imposed on you, right, because society imposes values on us, as a child going through the abuse that I went through, and then being told to always tell the truth. But it was easy for my parents where they were at at that time, objectively, and the best that they knew their version of the truth was nothing happened to me. So from the outside looking in, I looked like the liar even when I tried to tell the truth. But supposedly truth was a very big value that they imposed on me, but they impose their version of it, which is what they wanted the outward world to seek. My version of the truth is living in my truth every day, being transparent, journaling, meditating, praying, getting to deeper core parts of me every single day. Now, I'm a little nutty, right? I don't like taking breaks or hiatuses, or stopping and taking a step backwards or even being stagnant because being stagnant is going back. Right, because we are a never ending flow. So the minute that we remove ourselves from flow, we shut off our self awareness to go out we, we want to take a break, right? What does that really mean? My version, my version of fun today is completely different than what it even was two years ago. My version of fun today is really spending time with myself in silence. When my kids a lot, Joe, let's just clarify that too. That's a whole nother level. Right?
Harry Turner 7:29
Okay, so I'm hearing your brother, let me ask it sounds. It sounds like you're saying that. It's about really spending time in understanding who you are. By having in developing and continuing a relationship with yourself. And through that relationship. Just like any relationship, the more time you spend with a person, the more you learn about him. And so the more time you spend with yourself, like truly asking the questions to dive deeper that your spirit seeks to answer for you, you learn more about yourself, and then that true then begins to liberate you or set you free from things that you've been holding yourself bound to, but didn't realize it. That's what it sounds like. You're saying what you let me know,
Michael Padurano 8:07
On a surface level, right? So here's the best example I can give. Society tells us right society, you're going to graduate high school, you're going to go to college, you're going to marry your sweetheart, your male, female, whatever it is, right? You're going to have children, you're going to have this house with a white picket fence with two cars, a dog, a cat, whatever, maybe birds, you're going to take your children to sports. And then when you become retired, whatever age that is, then you get to start enjoying your life. Why don't have to go through that not enjoying my life and chasing a retirement dream. Like that sounds like the most tedious, absolute moronic thing for us to do. But as a society, it became the norm. So you have societal pressures, generational pressures, right? And a lot of this is an unlearning what has been imposed on us. Right, and then going into traumas going into bad moments you want to call them or painful moments and working through it. Right? And understanding working with a guide, working with a coach working with, I want to work with someone who's been through it, that's somebody who has a million degrees, no offense, right? I have tremendous amount of respect for you and your education, but you've also been through, right, so So that's a different, that's a different story.
Harry Turner 9:29
How do you know though, tell the people I mean, how do you know rather,
Michael Padurano 9:33
our conversation and the way that you look at it, when in perspective, is not for one second, did you even know that I didn't have educational credentials? That for one second in our conversation, you didn't judge it? You didn't look at it. You didn't even think to ask it. Because we were already speaking the same language. We just went through our own journey to get where we're at today, right? What fits for one doesn't fit for all
Harry Turner 9:54
Hmm, that journey
Michael Padurano 9:56
and and I can relate to people that you can't relate to but you can relate to people that I can't relate this, that this is that whole crazy theory of abundance too, right? We're not made for everyone, we're made for who we fit with. And our clients are business where people will resonate and come to us. This, it's not a competition. But I also don't believe in abundance, I believe in limitlessness. Because I find abundance limiting, you're telling me that there's only a certain amount, I don't think that there's a limit to anything, I think that we can accomplish anything that we want to, if we're living within our core values, we understand, we evolve and we grow. And that's a daily process. There's no vacations in that. But I can tell you, I had more fun today than I've ever had in my life, even just in simple conversations, versus when I was spending all the money in the world going and getting those 500 $600,000 dinners, going out with a bunch of people that didn't even know me, just to impress people that I didn't even know that I was trying to impress, when I was going and spending 1000s of dollars on clothes and going to events and doing all these crazy things. Like...
Harry Turner 11:09
People are fighting to get to that point, like they are fighting for that exactly what you just described, they are fighting and even harming other people to get to that point. I mean, why did you not find satisfaction at being at the pinnacle of what is supposed to be the American dream?
Michael Padurano 11:25
Because it wasn't my dream. It wasn't who I was meant to, it wasn't who I was meant to be? It wasn't true to me. If it wasn't true, like for me, money isn't anything. It's it's it's just as you acquire things, fantastic. So when you have things What do you do then? When a couple I'll never forget a conversation that I had a couple years ago with somebody that I didn't know before that. And I said, You know what, I'm going to be the first trillionaire because I want to give away 95% of my money. 95%. And that person said to me, why would you ever do that? I said because $5 billion is a lot of money. And it doesn't matter, either. Because I can give away 95% of that too. I don't care. The reality is it doesn't mean anything. If you're not putting it towards impact, what are you you're you're in this to get in a magazine that you're on this list. Like you're making yourself targets for the next round of the Gotham world that we're moving into. And right now, the haves and the have nots. Right. And that's not a political thing. It's a fact that this division has been driven so deep across politics, across race, across religion, across everything that you could possibly imagine over these last few years. And it's been steamrolling.
Harry Turner 12:37
Right. So how can shadow work, I guess, cultivate an environment that is the remedy to that?
Michael Padurano 12:46
Who I love that question. That that's the sweet spot right there. Because here's the reality, you heal yourself. This is this is a selfish friggen job. This is selfish, right. And I don't know why I'm not cursing because I love cursing, but I'm not right now. So this, it's very intriguing to even me, it's selfish. It's a selfish job, you got to be so damn selfish to do the shadow work. But what what happens is, as you're going layer by layer within it, you start noticing how people around you start shifting. Because something changes, your vibration changes if you want to get technical, right, and you start radiating in a different level. And you can go look at David, Dr. David Hawkins, his scale of vibration and what mindset you're sitting in, and that will tell you where you're at, right. And he did an amazing job of breaking that down scientifically for a spiritual process. But it's true, and it's proven. It's like scientifically proven, right? So as you're transitioning through layer and layer and layer, if you continue to keep going, there is no limit. This is why this whole abundance thing annoys me, it is limitless. Stop saying abundance, stop tying yourself to this magic word that people want to believe. Stop chasing money, Chase impact, and the universe will provide energy in that way for us. And it can come fiscally it can come through people in your life. It can come through winning houses, cars, boats, whatever it may be, right? You don't know how these things work the synchronicities in this universe. And we can say multiverses if you really want to go technical, right, like we can go real deep into this. But there is it's limitless. Why do we only believe what we can see? Why do we idolize somebody who has a ton of money, but proves to the world how miserable they are by killing themselves? So if that's how you want to be, that's what we want to be?
Harry Turner 14:45
Yeah, suicide rates have been dominant among the most affluent of us for quite some time. And again, I'm not giving any therapeutic advice here but it's interesting so shadow work. For me. It's, it's really about understanding. First I find a trigger When I become triggers, I don't put my triggers on other people. I don't believe it's it's your responsibility to not trigger me, I believe it's my responsibility to thank you for the opportunity to be triggered, so that I can do some further exploration on why that trigger is even still there, because my trigger is no more than a trailhead for a deeper understanding of my truth that I have yet to explore and understand and liberate. That's, that's, that's my perspective on it. What's your thoughts, brother?
Michael Padurano 15:26
I agree, million percent when, before I started this journey, it was always everyone's fault for triggering me, always. I didn't care who you were, you can be a frickin snail on the ground and I stepped on you I ruined a new pair of shoes, and I'm pissed. It's your damn fault. Had nothing to do with snail had nothing to do with me stepping on this snail, it had to do with the fact that I bought something that I wanted. And immediately it got destroyed. And I went into the negative spiral, right? Why buy anything I want if it's only gonna get destroyed, or why chase this if it's only gonna get destroyed, right? So the triggers are the gifts like they are the gifts because they show us the pain points that we continue to deep, dig deep into if we are willing. There are many people in this world that get to a point and go stagnant because they are scared for those next steps. Because a lot of those next steps are sacrificing some superficial, sacrificing things that we used to want this master plan that we that we were always created with, right get married, have kids do this, do this, do this, have this house, have this money have this great time? All these things, right? This is the chase, who are you living into living into who everybody would everyone else wanted you to be? At what point do you step back? And you say, I want to live into me? I want to know who I am. Really right. Like when we look at triggers. And then we look at the courtroom, right? Where are the triggers stemmed from? So what I've learned through my healing journey with spiritual psychotherapist, with shamans with all different modalities, the healers, like everything, like I've worked with 25, 30 different people, and I've accumulated so much knowledge, right? It's not about the trigger. That's a surface trigger. Right? So what's the core of that trigger? Right? And you know that you know all about this right from your side of the world, right? That the scientific science behind it, right? The Mental Health Science and everything right?
Harry Turner 17:19
The science of psychotherapy. Yes, I'm familiar with it.
Michael Padurano 17:24
So let's bring it back to how do you find that core? Right, because a lot of times, we are so programmed to block trauma, ignore the fact that it happened, that we don't even know what happened, where it stemmed from, because it's what's buried under the rug, let's pretend it never happened. Let's be the happiest family in the neighborhood. Let's look perfect to everyone else, let's, this didn't happen to you. Come on, it's not real. And that is what we are programmed to do. Right. So it's a lot of digging.
Harry Turner 17:55
Yeah, and not realizing that that emotion will be rapid, it manifests itself in other ways. Because that energy, that emotion is energy in motion, but it remains in motion, but remains in motion inside of you in ways that are unconscious, it remains unconscious, because we've chosen not to look at it. And so the body reflects the body, the Body Keeps the Score, but our inability for us to see how these behaviors manifest based off of these unconscious material in our mind, the subconscious material in our mind that we've chosen not to look at. And so we don't see it when it operates in the physical reality. And I'm only using this again, no judgments whatsoever. I understand I'm not, I'm a human just like anybody else. And I don't believe that judging is an addiction that the mind has. I'm not I'm not here to judge anybody. But more recently, with the Oscars of 2022, there was an incident and my take on it is that real was triggered, he was triggered. And in that space, it's easy. Whenever you whenever we are the most unaware, we tried to manipulate the physical environment. So in a space of being triggered, we become fractured, when we've become fractured, we become more egotistical, we become more mentally rigid, we become more one sided, and we become more hedonistic in nature. And so in that space, he thought that the enemy was Chris Rock. But we know that is a universal law that if you defeat the enemy, without I mean within, the enemy without can do you no harm, I'm gonna repeat that, you defeat the enemy within, the enemy without can do you no harm. So in that space, the way that my eyes or rather, this I saw that was that, while in the physical, he may have accosted Chris Rock, and the mental, the psychological realm, and from spiritual eyes. He was really attacking his own shame projected onto him. He's trying to manipulate the external environment not realizing that that trigger is there because there's something that is unresolved within him again, I'm not here to give him a diagnosis. I can't say nothing but maybe maybe everything I said is false, and I'm talking outside of my neck, whatever. But this is the way I see. If you're seeking a life coach, nocturnal therapist is the name and mental alchemy is the game. If you want to understand how to transmute, transform and transcend these challenges in these challenging emotions, find me at the School of outliers at become an outlier.com/links. Again, that's become an outlier.com/links stay lit, and agape.
Michael Padurano 20:24
First chapter of his book, he talks about it. That was the trigger. Because here's the thing, right? Growing up, his father was abusive, he felt like he couldn't protect his mother. First chapter of his book, he talks about what it felt like to be in that shame spiral or stream space, that he couldn't protect his mother. So when we watch that live, it seems bam, bam, bam, right? We don't understand. At that moment, we don't comprehend it. But if you go back and you watch that replay, he was laughing, until he saw the pain in his wife's eyes. That was the trigger. And the minute you go into that space, you don't respond, you react. And that's what he did. And his apology was very sincere. It was very genuine. But until he addresses those issues, nothing's gonna change. I'm just gonna be different circumstances,
Harry Turner 21:18
Until the unconscious becomes conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate. And so people they go back and forth, they say it was his fault is their fault, that person fault, its not about fault. Now, it's about understanding that two worlds collided and, and what that meant for both, because Chris Rock also has a history from when I did the research, Chris Rock has a history of being bullied throughout his life, which is why he came up with a sitcom. Everybody Hates Chris. So to have even at this stage, with at this level of success. But that same pattern to pop back up one more time, on the world stage, Oscars, this is the Super bowl now for actors. So this happens on the world stage, someone who is towering over you six, two, he has played Muhammad Ali, did you know those martial arts, he comes and uses all of his strength and anger to slap all spit out your mouth. And I man just respect to him for his professionalism and his weight his man and that's a man and to hold it together like that, man, brother, I just take my hat off to you. But on that end, I'm looking at this in and I'm like, this is another pattern that is repeating at the same time, and then triggered people trigger other people. It was first the wife trigger that then trigger the husband, that then went on stage in front, everybody thought justified to go on staging in front of everybody and accost this man, and then trigger this man, which then triggered the entire nation, I say, the entire nation, but you know, universe and people that follow these individuals, it's,
Michael Padurano 22:46
Well, there's only hundreds of millions of them. So it's not that many. I mean, it was only on every channel the whole week, right? And then you bring in half the world to be their commentary, when really, you're just dealing with people in pain. That's it in pain, right? These are. And here's the other thing that I read about. And I don't know if this is true, but apparently, Chris Rock is on the spectrum. And he gets therapy seven days a week to try and understand social cues. So if he didn't turn it on and blame himself, he probably wouldn't have kept his composure. And if he would have done that, as let's say, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Murphy probably would have pounded him in return, maybe not would have won, but it would have turned into something much larger. Right? So this is probably a lesson for the whole country, if we choose to do it, right. And there's many instances that we can look at this and say, I feel bad for both sides, right? This is, this is something where they're all dealing with stuff. And we forget that they're human. I'm just human, they're just beings. Nothing is, just because they're in movies, just because they have a ton of money, just because they have assets, doesn't make them any happier, better, more satisfied, more fulfilled than anyone else. Right? This is a deeper prospect.
Harry Turner 24:13
If anything, it really murks the water more, it makes the water more murkier because I'll never forget what Deion Sanders said many years ago, and I can't even recall what he said at all. I just never forgot it. And I heard it was once and they said money makes you more of what you already are. And so if you are a if you're addicted to heroin, and you get more money, you do more. If you're addicted to women, you get more money you are with more women, if if you're addicted to men, you get more money, you get more men, but it really is. So if you're confused already, then more money helps to mask that for a much longer period of time, that pain point because that you can pad your feelings. You can you can when you fall you have this big old stack of money to fall on top of. And so you feel a little bit more comfortable getting back up and continuing in that pattern. And so there's everyone has to bear they own, we all got to fight through this thing using the shadow work. And that's why Shadow Work is relevant for everyone. How can I identify that as a trigger? Like you were saying, my brother, how can I identify that as a trigger? If I didn't do it myself? And thats true. I am a therapist. But I can tell you right now I've been in many a therapist circles, and I've seen many of them get triggered. And then project that triggering the blame on a trigger for some somebody else or something else. That's not my way.
Michael Padurano 25:31
It's easy to go into that. Because society welcomes it. All society wants to do is blame. They don't care who they just want to blame. There's a villain and there's a and their victim. And we're living into this. Let's portray this every day of our lives and create new villains and new victims, right? We know, and you could look on the public stage, and we can talk about this all we want. But I don't want to really go into pointing out specific instances at this point. Right? Right. When we become self aware, which is key to any of this, then we can pick up on our patterns and behaviors. When we pick up on our patterns and behaviors, we can start noticing the dynamics that we create, when we start noticing the dynamics that we create, then we have to look why we create it. Once we look at why we create the dynamics, at that point, we can start healing. But we have to get to the core reason we create these dynamics. Right? It's easy for someone to say you have daddy issues, you have mommy issues, right? But why did you create those dynamics for that? Why are you living to impress your father? Or why am I why did I live so long to to try and be enough for my mother or my father, to try and just prove my worth to them in every way possible. And at the end of the day, I hated myself. So there was no satisfaction. You know, what satisfaction was is when I went and I fought for my kids for 17 months. And my dad looked at me as as a man. And he said, You know what, I didn't do that for you. And I'm sorry. So that was value. But it meant nothing until I started valuing myself. With this outside this society that we've created this Instagram, what's called Instagram quote, right? Like, seeking outside validation is a core root issue in society. And that's because in school, we choose to label kids in a plethora of labels, rather than reinforcing their own value and worth. Right. And I live this every day with my son when he's going through it. I battled with every day. And I'm not giving it to the system, because I refuse to let him fall into the system. He's going to he's going to work through it, he's going to heal, and I'm just gonna guide him the whole way. And I'm going to protect him to the best of my ability, but let him take his own journey.
Harry Turner 27:47
How? How do you think the primary schooling system K through 12 grade? How do you think that is harming kids specifically your son, or I mean if you care to go into that.
Michael Padurano 27:58
Okay so, I can't wait for you to read the book, I really can't wait for you to read the book, because it's gonna break it down so poetically for you. And in a much deeper level than I probably will, because it talks about how bad the education system was in the 1930s. And it's worse today. So it's the same system. But worse, because we took all creativity out of the system. Because the first thing that the budget cuts do is take out the electives right? The creativity, which then takes away creative problem solving, then we remove critical thinking, because not everybody learns critical thinking at the same pace, and you can't teach the masses, if there's people that are a little quicker or a little slower. So we have to numb it down, right to where it hits the majority. And we have become a memorization society. Let's go get a half a let's go get a half a million dollars in debt, go into college, party, do whatever, get a degree that at the end of the day means nothing because all you did was memorize everything. And then when you go get a job in that field, you got to relearn everything from scratch because anything you learned in college pretty much is inactive, cause now you're in the real world. So
Harry Turner 29:01
Nobody prepared me for the first time I'd have a grown adult throw feces at me and maximum lockdown.
Michael Padurano 29:08
Really? You know what would have done it? Raising a four year old There you go. It's the truth, though, right? Like our kids are our biggest teachers.
Harry Turner 29:18
Oh, yeah, definitely. Except for this one wanted to kill me. But you know, no, no, but But ya know, the Baby Steps baby steps.
Michael Padurano 29:24
I think generational education generational wisdom transfer is huge. Why aren't senior citizens being proven to them to them how useful they are to society for their life experience? Why aren't they working with preschool kids? Why aren't they working with fifth graders? Share the wisdom. You have the experience. You've survived more in your life than we could ever imagine. Why is it that knowledge being shared? And it's simple? It's simple, and they want to they want to share it.
Harry Turner 29:57
Why isn't it being desired? And that's my question. Why is that -
Michael Padurano 30:00
Because we're told it doesn't matter. We're told put him in a home, they're in the way, they're a nuisance, then they believe they're a nuisance. Because all we do is shame people. All we do is take their power away from them. This society destroys humanity. Because you're taking the human, you're taking the creativity, you're taking the spirituality out of our beings, and you're turning us into robots, memorization tools. There's a reason that so many innovators get thrown out of or leave school, because it doesn't work, it doesn't fit in. There's a creative thinkers, they're the innovators, they're the changemakers. They know that the system doesn't work.
How can shadow work address a system?
Oh, that's a good one. Because my son's going through these everyday right now in school. You need you need to work with kids, you need to explain to them their value, you need to work through their traumas. You want to you want to help humanity? You want to make an impact? Rather than waiting till we're 40 and then go seeing someone like you for the rest of their life trying to fix themselves. Deal with a nine year old with my son, show him empathy, compassion, safety, love, and I've missed 70% of my workdays this year, spending time with my son reinforcing and building him up. I have the county after me, the school district after me. Now I have heard of the state after me now I'm dealing with a PHP program that isn't happy with how I'm handling it. And you know, and you know what? I don't care. I don't care. I look at him. I say take him to court. Please, please bring me to court. If you have a problem with me helping my son heal, take me to court and we can discuss it in open court. Please, please put me on CSPAN. Let's do let's do it. Let's talk to the world about what's wrong with education. Where's empathy, where's compassion? All these buzzwords that we want to use in employment settings, that which is ironic, because we spent the first 13 years or 18 years ripping them out of people, we rip all this stuff out of people. But now we expect people to do this at work.
Harry Turner 32:07
And why, why do you think that at that point that that stage is emphasized by institutions to begin to look at that stuff?
Michael Padurano 32:14
Because it's miserable. And now people are running out in droves? Because there's options. You can sit at home in your pajamas and buy stuff on eBay and sell stuff on eBay, and make more money than working a full time job. Why the heck would you go to somewhere where you're miserable every day? Why would you want to spend 60% of your wait time somewhere that you're miserable? That's not including commute, right? Because if you had commute, and you're saying that you're just straight numbers, right? average person sleeps eight hours a week, 16 hours, they work eight hour days, they have the hour lunch of between, let's say hour commute on either side, you're talking about 11 hours of their of their balance of 16 hours are spent in the workload capacity. Who the hell wants to be miserable for 62.5% of the time that they're awake? Why are people leaving? Because they don't feel valued, sort of heard and seen. How do you how do you have people feel valued, heard and seen? You work with one person at a time. You create a safer space for each individual. Because everybody has their own things that make them tick. Everyone is an individual. So there is no broad answer. There is no I'm going to throw paint on, the foosball tables, the ping pong tables, the pool tables, none of this stuff. That's a joke, right? This is again, escapism, right? Drinking, taking the sporting events doing all these things escapeism, yeah. And I've said this before, if you have a gentleman or a woman, right, that is on your team, and they are heavily involved in their children's sports, their children's Cub Scouts, or Girl Scouts or something that their children is heavily engaged in and they take passion in that, you want that person to stay, find a way to sponsor or get involved with what their kid is interested in. They are going to feel valued, they are going to understand understand that they are heard and seen. And they are going to feel so appreciated for you supporting what that means something to them, over that three and a half percent raise that is less than half of inflation. So you're really getting a pay cut year over year but, in case for anybody who can't do numbers.
Harry Turner 34:24
Okay, all right, given us, I think you've given us some good evidence as to why Shadow Work is an important tool to embrace. How can someone get involved? What do they do?
Michael Padurano 34:34
Find someone that resonates with you and work with them.
Harry Turner 34:36
How do you do that?
Michael Padurano 34:37
Look, listen, see who's out there. Right? Just because I'm saying it this way, doesn't mean that the way that you say it doesn't resonate with a whole bunch of different people. And the reality is, if corporate America wants change in organizations, they need to bring personal development coaching into the workplace.
Harry Turner 34:56
Are you talking about me? Are you are you talking about people like myself? Anyone, everyone who has moved into the space of helping people to understand themselves a little deeper. Are you saying that corporate America needs to be talking to me?
Michael Padurano 35:10
They need to talk to both of us, I'm just a little bit more a little a little more off the cuff. Right? So I'm a little bit more passionate and off the cuff with it, because I see it. I've been on both sides, right. I made the mistakes as a bots. Boss, right? I boss people around. Yep, all for it. I've made those superior. I love that one. That's a great one. Right? My manager, my supervisor.
Harry Turner 35:37
What are you boarding? Yeah, you're
Michael Padurano 35:40
running in the yard that I need to babysit? Yeah, I mean, what is this coming to? We come to these titles, right? They're so useless. They're so frivolous, they mean nothing. How about your name is John Smith. Your name is Bob McGuire. Your name is Sally Jones. That's who you are. You are not a title. You are just as much a human being is the person next to you. Yes. And if you don't treat others like a human being, then you're probably less than
Harry Turner 36:10
The titles, the titles become idols, starts starts in primary school, beginning with the the education and I've said it before you go through kindergarten, first grade, second grade, third grade all the way up to 12th grade and you have what's called a graduation. And the very word graduation can be seen as a combination of a word gradual indoctrination, you've been gradually knocked into American way of thinking, but then you got to ask that how does that benefit you and your child? And just to bring a very practical example there's a benefit of Native American or indigenous persons a child to be in a classroom where Christopher Columbus is is glamor glorified, like glamorizing glorified like these are important questions.
Michael Padurano 36:50
So it's funny, I'm gonna sidetrack a little bit, just a little this is actually very relevant. So I don't know what commercial was on. I don't know what channel it was on TV yesterday. I wasn't even paying attention. I was in the middle of working and I just gazed over. And it said, it is, if this isn't politically correct, I apologize. Arab American history. And I'm sitting back, and I'm and I'm really trying to understand at what point do we just say it's American history? And at what point is it not whitewash Black wash pink wash indigenous tribes washed? Arabic washed? Woman washed, transgender washed, gay washed? I mean, is there gonna be a month a month for each identifier that we label these things?
Harry Turner 37:35
I'm pretty sure that's where they're going with it.
Michael Padurano 37:37
What about the objective history? What about objective truths? Why can't we learn from our history, so that we don't continue to make the same mistakes that we are today?
Harry Turner 37:48
jawed Santiana. Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Michael Padurano 37:52
We're doing it right now. They took the holocaust out a lot of history books, they took Hitler out of a lot of history books, right? Because there was people fighting about what side whether it was real or fake. I mean, I'm not getting it was real, for anybody who doesn't want to believe it. And that's fine. Go to Europe, you can go see the concentration camp still there. Right. So you don't believe it was real? Slavery is real concentration camps are real. We've had them in the US for the Chinese. We had them in the US for many other reasons, right, McCarthyism. This is all real crap. But we're sitting back and allowing the same things to happen. But because we're separated by an ocean, we can sit back and say, We have to wait to this exact moment. What is the humanity in any of this?
Harry Turner 38:35
Not to mention, we don't even have to be across the ocean, we can be across the street and still say,
Michael Padurano 38:41
It's none of our business, none of my business.
Harry Turner 38:43
Exactly. This is this illusion of separateness, this illusion that, that, that we aren't one - when you go deep in the shadow work. This is why I'm so passionate about shadow work, when you go deep into it, and which is introspective work, which is the art of examining yourself and really asking the critical questions, Socratic inquiry, self inquiry, and so when you go deep in it, you begin to understand that the other is reflection of oneself, you begin to see splatters of yourself all over the other. Yes, I can physically see that my brother who is a Caucasian male, I can physically see that his skin colors a little bit brighter than mind, his shoes a little bit brighter than mine. But also when I look at him, I see me and me seeing me, in that version makes me want to treat me, in that version, the same way me in this version would like to be treated. And hopefully, hopefully y'all followed me on that. But that's what you begin to see when you dive deeper. Your vision moves from this eye level to Sky level, you begin to expand your awareness to the extent that things, even the things that you pass by and live with your entire life. They appear different, and you begin to see the synchronicities in life. Now, I know for some of you this may sound like some woowoo stuff, but to the people that have done this work, they're gonna be nodding their heads just like my brother doing because they know it always happens the same for all of us. We come here for different missions now, outside of the the ultimate mission, we all have our individual journeys we have to go on. But when you plug in, it's the same for all of us What you got brother?
Michael Padurano 40:11
So, for me, every time somebody has that part of the conversation, because I obviously we engage in these types of conversations all the time, right with me and you and then with anybody else, right? Anybody willing to have this level of a conversation, because these are rare, right? Which we want to make more mainstream. Because it helps us, it helps them, right? This is a, this is a recipe for reciprocity of the energy exchange, right? Every interaction, there's a gift for both sides. If we're able to see it, how do you see it by removing self removing ego, separating ego from our spiritual being, right? Spirituality has nothing to do with it doesn't impact your faith. But what it can do is enhance your faith. They can strengthen, strengthen your bond with yourself, they can help you find your truth, right? And these are things that has scared society. Because Gosh, what if we have a society full of free things? That all they want is the best for each other, no matter what your differences are, and they are actively healing their own traumas and others traumas, just by existing. It's not about utopia. Because we can't go to Utopia either, right? There's dark and light, but it comes it talks. It's a balance in life, then there's accidents, not murders, then there's mass mass casualties from horrific accidents that still happened today that are outside of our control. But these mass shootings like the one in California today, right? These mass issues, these wars for no reasons, they stop, they stop. Because once people start working on themselves, they would never want to hurt someone else because they see themselves in it in them. Everyone, no matter who it is. It's that oneness.
Harry Turner 42:03
When I watch what happened at the Oscars, because to sum this up, I felt what it was like to be enraged the way that will was, I also felt what it was like to be accosted for something you clearly didn't intend. Brother, whats your last, why give you the last word what you got.
Michael Padurano 42:24
You're worth it. Every single one of you is worth it. You are worth finding out who you really are. Healing, working through it, and evolving and grow forward. We are not yesterday, we're not tomorrow. We're only right here. Heal and Grow, grow forward.
Harry Turner 42:46
Grow forward. Oh, when you say growth, man, I gotta give a quote at least before we go off. But y'all heard it last maybe last season, but I'm gonna say it again because this is a new season. And I'm so honored to have you on as a guest to premiere this third season brother. Just say that the past is history, the future mystery, and today is a gift and its your gift, which is why it's called the present. The past is for reference, not residence, and Shadow Work assist you in making sense of that past, gaining your truth so you can get a deeper understanding and an inner standing a knowing of who you truly are. And then moving forward with more integration, self integration and more self leadership and authority in life, and then truly begin to manifest what it is that you truly seek. And instead of resisting and causing what you don't want to continue to persist and show up in your life. That's why that which we fear, we attract. Choose love, choose you and then that's it.
Michael Padurano 43:45
Thank you my man, I appreciate you so much. This
Harry Turner 43:47
was awesome. So again, this is the nocturnal therapist. I would love the first guest I pulled on for this premiere episode. And I want you all to know it's about living in your truth not about living in my truth not living in my brother's truth not anybody else's truth is about you living in your truth and that's why I say to you, please continue to stay lit. Nocturnal therapists I'm out
