Harry Turner 00:10
Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to another episode of Is that so y'all notice the season three. And y'all know the the role here the theme of this season three is shadow work or how to do that inner healing really dive in down during that introspection. I'm your host, the nocturnal therapist, and I have an amazing guest on today's show. Her name is Vivi tie. I hope I pronounced that correct and she's gonna correct me if I did not pronounce it correctly.
Harry Turner 00:39
But Vivi Thai, and she is the writer, a truth seeker healer, and fearlessly determined to live a free lifestyle regardless of other people's opinions. She is author of the book Living through Alchemy, I purchased a book and I gotta say that it's it's quite an interesting read. And it's very informative, very enlightening. These are one of the books that I definitely would put up there with more the advanced reading for those of y'all particular, particularly those of y'all who are intentionally trying to find their way, I would definitely encourage you to check out her book living through alchemy, a transformational journey to freedom, definitely check this book up. And so she also believes that as we find our own inner freedom, that is when the world can be free and liberate itself to evolve to a better place in the cosmos. At the end of 2017, she started a new life in Canada as a new immigrant from Vietnam. There she embarked on one of a kind, nomadic band life adventure. So yes, she has a story to tell. I love storytellers. Y'all know I love storytellers. keep shifting his camera around, I don't know, I don't like that lamp being in the winter. But anyway, I'm excited to have on and so without further ado, I'm gonna bring on onto the stage. Miss Devi, Ty, welcome to the stage. Miss Vivi Ty,
Vivi Thai 02:00
Thanks for the lovely introduction of myself and my book, it's really my honor to be here, and to share my story with the world and to spread the message because that's pretty much my mission now, to help people to be free from the within. And I think, is the work that is necessary now, especially when you see the what happening in the world right now. Or the crazy events and circumstances that happen is people need to do again, the shadow work, as you said, and I think this the time now that we need to step outside of us out of our comfort zone and step up to help other people along the way.
Harry Turner 02:49
Hailed as a writer, truth seeker healer. Now tell me what, clearly there's a there's a story there. So let's begin with that. Tell us about your story. And I know you've you've you've spoken about that, and in your book living through alchemy, but please tell us about your story. And what led you to this point. Yeah, so
Vivi Thai 03:06
in short, history is in a book, but to summarize, what I was writing about is my life transformation journey. And it started probably about eight years ago, in 2014 2015, when I was on the edge of leaving the states, and I was working there as a clinical engineer in Boston, US, I, I would consider myself having a just a normal corporate life just like everyone else. But I wasn't really happy with myself, I wasn't happy with the job. And I constantly got anxiety every day, I was going to work that how unhappy I was. And it's not just because I didn't like the job, but also the environment in the hospital is just really stressful, and having co workers and bosses that are not nice to you also adding to that pressure. And so I was into us on a visa basis. I was an international student and I was working there is an f1 visa worker. And so in order for me to stay in the country, I would have to have an employment. So my visa was tied to my employment. If I lose the job badge and perform well, I would lose my visa and I would not allow it to stay in the country. And at that point, I already considered us as my home because it was already there for 12 years of my life. And I can see the state as a teenager and I just got very comfortable with the lifestyle and I was so afraid and all that My investment in school and all my time, like seven years in school $100,000 would go to waste if I was going to lose the job. So it was a lot of pressure for me at that point that I had to try so hard to please other people, to the point that I was completely losing myself, I didn't know who I was anymore. And going to work every day was like carrying a big rock in my shoulder. But eventually, you when you hit the boiling point, it bursts and it has to break the bubble would have to break. And I did lose a job. And I was devastated. I was at the bottom place in my life where I was so afraid of going back to Vietnam, facing my family, because I would have to do with a fear of shame. In Asian culture, if your family has a lot of expectation of you, especially for me going abroad, to study and to be an engineer and I had a master an Ivy League degree. So it felt like there's a lot of expectation on me, probably like I am patient it myself, even though my family didn't really say that. It just feels like that's the society. And that's the culture that was put on me. And so I put the pressure on myself as well.
Harry Turner 06:25
Let me say this real quick. And I'm not saying this because the brother is Asian, but because I love I love them. I bought them all the time. But Bruce Lee says, I'm not in this world to live up to your expectations, and you're not in this world to live up to mine. But you're saying your story, it just speaks even more profoundly, to how powerful the statement that was for him to make during that time, especially sharing similar culture. So please continue, I just had to say that real quick, it's powerful, to free yourself from the burden of, of family expectations, because most certainly they don't intend it to be. But they most certainly can be a burden. So please make more.
Vivi Thai 07:03
It's like an understatement, like even data was say, directly to you. But it like is the essence of it in the culture and in the family that is always there. And so I felt the expectation to be the best of myself, to have the best degrees and the best school to have the best job at the most prestigious hospitals in the country. So I was always chasing for that status, like climbing the ladder just like everyone else because of that expectation.
Vivi Thai 07:37
And what I'm Asian, so I am a high achiever. I love pushing myself. And I'm also taught as I love pushing myself to get a higher and a higher level. And at that point, it was extremely stressful for me just to face the fact that oh, now I'm losing everything, like everything that I had invested in, like, in a blink of an eye, I just lose everything when I lose this job, and I lose the visa. And I would have to leave the country immediately. If I was going to lose the job, there was no grace period that they would allow you to stay and search for another employment. And it just it was already not very easy to find an employment that would sponsor you H1B visa. So I was definitely I didn't think that Oh, I was going to find another job after what if I was going to lose this job that was like to just to have that job to have that employment as sponsor me. That was like one in a million. That was how difficult it was to have an f1 visa to work in the States.
Vivi Thai 09:00
There wasn't easily. So when I when I was starting up, I knew that I had to go back home, I didn't want to stay in the country as an illegal immigrant. I think I had too much prior to do that. And I didn't feel like I wanted to get married just to stay in the country because I valued my freedom so much. And having those choices in front of me helped me to see oh, I wanted to stay in the country because I wanted to have that freedom. So I I was chasing on the status because I wanted to have the freedom. And the green card back then, for me was like the price of getting freedom like I'm free now. So it was a path of materialistic path chasing freedom. But the more that I was chasing it, the more I felt restricted because along the way I lost myself. I didn't know what I was doing. When everything I did, I hated, the people around me didn't really know who I was also, and I constantly have to please everyone. And it felt exhausting. I felt like I couldn't be myself and I just wanted to break out of that bubble. I didn't know how. But at the same time, I was too afraid to get outside of it. Because if I get out of it, that means I would have to leave the country, I would have to leave everything that I had built up at that point. So eventually, I had the courage to leave everything behind and go back to Vietnam, I'd rather to do that than staying in a vehicle in the country or get married to someone else that I didn't go. And that,
Harry Turner 10:49
is that a thing? Is that really a thing? Keeping you married?
Vivi Thai 11:00
I actually have two offers. And I was like, No, I don't think I could do it at all. Yeah, to Office.
Harry Turner 11:09
To the bush, he was like, hey, marry me, I got you.
Vivi Thai 11:12
I just couldn't, I just couldn't imagine myself doing it. And I was like, because I was questioning if I was going to do it, am I gonna be free? I am, I already don't have the freedom now. But I'm trying to please, other people trying to please my bosses and my co worker, I just didn't feel like staying in the US was the path of finding freedom for me anymore. Even though my heart wanted to stay there. I was attach, like you just say earlier, like about a shadow work, you have to let go of your attachment. Because my story back then was the it attached to the American dream. And we're having a very stable life, and have a family have a job of getting married. And I was in that trap. I bought the the American dream. I bought into it, and I wanted to have it. But only a few six months into that stable life. I felt bored. And I I didn't I wasn't happy with myself. So I was questioning but it was actually my dream. Until I lost my job and I had to go back home to Vietnam. It wasn't really easy. And in that blank slate, I really asked myself, like, what direction I want to go. And what is it that I want to do now? I don't have all of that burdens anymore. So at that blank slate is so much easier to tune into your heart and question yourself. And the answer came to me was to traveling because I have always wanted to travel to be a nomad. And doing
Harry Turner 13:10
this. So this is exactly what I wanted to go into this. So at the end of 2017. So you started a new life in Canada? Is this what you're talking about? Like you'd be getting
Vivi Thai 13:19
for that was before going to Canada, we're just leaving the US and going back to Vietnam. And I explore a little bit of the solo traveling lifestyle when I was in Vietnam as well. And that was that that helps me a lot to conform. You know, my idea that oh yes, I wanted to be a nomad. And traveling around Southeast Asia was just so liberating. And it helps me to reconnect with my roots. And it helps me to finally find my confidence and find my freedom again after leaving the states. because when I was leaving the state and going back home with my family, I was I was so ashamed of myself, I didn't have the confidence to look at anyone in the eyes. I didn't want to talk to anyone. I would just I I was calling myself as a failure. And because I was so lost, I didn't know what I wanted to do. So we were just hanging on to that vision, that passion, that desire to travel and that was my only outlet. And whenever I travel, I got to be myself. I felt a sense of that freedom. And it helps. It was like an invite that helps me to get out of the darkness in my head by following my passion. So that
Harry Turner 14:52
this is something that is in alignment what I say all the time. The tree cut off from his roots is dead, and seems like you're reconnected with your roots you drew strength from reconnecting with your roots first. And when that confidence came up, which I defined confidence as one part courage, one part competence, knowing that you can do a thing. And the last part is self compassion, self compassion. Again, if you if you're listening to me, you want to write it down. Confidence, there's a formula to everything, just like a formula to water is h2o, formula for confidence, one part courage, one part competence. And the other part is self compassion.
Harry Turner 15:26
Why courage, because your fears will be there. But courage tells you to do it anyway. Because that's what you value. That's what your heart is leading you. So you're gonna need some courage all along the way.
Harry Turner 15:35
Why competence, because you need to know that you do with it, that you know how to do a thing, whatever that thing is, but you have to have enough faith in yourself to actually exercise intentionality. And so that's where the competence comes in. But you do a thing. And so you can be intentional about doing it, because you know that you know how to do it.
Harry Turner 15:53
The last thing is self compassion, because you will make mistakes, you will make mistakes, you will stumble along your path. But even when you stumble, you still stumble forward. So you keep that self compassion so that you'd be kind to yourself, instead of the default reaction of wanting to criticize yourself and being harsh towards yourself, which will lead you right back into the same state of anxiety and depression and isolation. I appreciate you saying about you going traveling around different parts of Asia really helps you to build your confidence. So tell us if because I definitely want to get into the book too. So tell us about when 2017 If I'm not if I'm not jumping, anything that you wanted to jump, I really want to hear about your one of a kind, nomadic van life adventure in Canada. I'm curious. I'm so curious about that. And of course, I have a few questions about the book that I had been reading through them throughout. And so yeah, please, wherever you want to, wherever you want to continue at? Yeah, sure, we actually
Vivi Thai 16:49
almost there, but I really appreciate that you, you take the time and read my book and get to know my story. Not a lot of podcast for those that invest so much into guests that I really appreciate that. So after I get back to Vietnam, I realized that I wanted to be the Nomad after traveling around Southeast Asia. And I couldn't do that if I was going to be a Vietnamese because Vietnam Vietnamese passport doesn't allow you to travel much. So I needed I needed to in order to get to my dream I needed to get out of Vietnam. And I That's why I took a chance and applied for immigration to Canada.
Vivi Thai 17:33
Actually, a friend of my suggests that we need to do that. Yeah, he was like, why don't we just immigrate to Canada, it's so close to the US. That was a really good point, I check it out the immigration program. And to my surprise, I was qualified, because of all my years of studying and working in the US. So that helped a little bit with the immigration. So I waited for about one and a half year and they approved me and they gave me the green card. So this was my chance of starting over. That's how I look at Canada is like giving me a second chance to start my life. That's why it's really interesting that at that stage is connect to the wheel of fortune in the tarot card, and it carries so much meaning it's a second chance in your life to do everything on over again. And I determined that this time, I was going to build my foundation in a solid concrete way and it's no longer about pleasing other people of living to other people expectation my determination was to find myself to know who I am. So that's the reason why I chose the van lifestyle after doing like research about Canada and different lifestyle because I envision myself what is it I want to do in Canada like when I go there now all free, I can do whatever I want in Canada.
Vivi Thai 19:11
And so when I was just so much rolling, and there's many benefits to it, the most important thing is to give me the free time to spend time with myself to get to know my passion, get to understand who I am, for all the solid two times that I've had to be in nature. And that was the most important decision for me to go with Van life and I didn't have any hesitation. I get to Canada I got to work right away. I planned three months. I guess my solid three months by the time I landed to Canada that I would find a vein I know we just move in right away and I did it exactly after three months, I found the perfect vein by myself. And I moved right in. Even though I didn't know anything about the country, I wasn't even scared that it was a different country. And I didn't know anybody I didn't, I didn't know the role, how everything was operating, I was like, I'm just gonna figure it out one way or not just one step at a time, I will figure it out. And a different lifestyle, different country was, it's really difficult, especially when you have to cram yourself into that small and tiny space. So obviously eating, it didn't take me, like right away, I would get too used to the lifestyle. It took me almost half a year after moving into the vein, because there's just so many different variables and different things that I have to figure out along the way, because it's just not normal. And because not many people are doing it. So there's lack of resources or like facilities and all that you would have to figure out yourself.
Harry Turner 21:08
Yeah, that's what I want to ask you real quick. So van life as in so you arrived in Canada, let me let me understand this. Now. You will work in somewhere. Yeah. So
Vivi Thai 21:19
I, it was a big purchase with a man. So I wanted to in the beginning, I wasn't really traveling, I wanted to do some work, to earn money and support my dealing. And so I was working part time. And part time I was traveling, and that's the part that I envisioned, then life would give me to have to feed time so that I can just follow my passion. I didn't have to apply what foods job, like going back to the corporate world, or being an engineer, I didn't want to go that route. And so I could do whatever that I was curious about. I applied for like random jobs, really in Vancouver. Just for fun, like I was curious about being a barista. So I applied to jobs to work at Starbucks as a barista for six months. And it was enough for me to leave the van life. I wasn't really struggling. And I was able to have a couple of days in a week, like three or four days in a week, sometimes to just explore the city in a van lifestyle. And when I was comfortable with the state aid, and I expand my horizon, and I go outside the city to the suburbs, and then I go a little bit further to the remote places after a year when I get more comfortable and I get kind of the hang of how the cities operates. And where I'm able to get showered where I'm able to get all the resources they prepare in water and where to park. Still after about two years I think I was the expert at like fighting on a good place to shower and I thoroughly enjoyed it and I love it so much especially on the downtime I was having. And I at some point I felt like I was spoiled because I didn't have to drive in traffic whenever I go to work I just stay close to my work I find parking neighborhood places or close in my work in the morning or just drive five minutes or walk there sometimes I didn't have to drive in traffic ever.
Harry Turner 23:36
Wait so wait you you you literally lived in event did you stay at like hotels or apartments from time to time?
Vivi Thai 23:43
No, I was staying on time in my brain when I was in Vancouver for two and a half years constantly. Yeah
Harry Turner 23:57
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Harry Turner 24:24
which you will discover if of course I'm playing devil's advocate here which you will discover once you get get into the book hey all right so you were in your you were in your van that entire time and you were parked close to work but you knew where you could go and take a shower and stuff. And so in the van like what do you what would you do with all those hours that you would have in the van? Would you be in the van or would you like you mentioned nature would you drive somewhere and just spend most of your day in nature and only sleep in the van or?
Vivi Thai 24:50
Yeah, I spend most of my time on the off day when I'm not working. I spent most my time exploring and that was so exciting for me. I I, because I didn't know Vancouver. I didn't notice Ed, I didn't know anything there. So I spent a lot of time exploring, I just go on Google Maps, and check out his neighborhoods. I mean, it was interesting there and they were the reviews are the Parker coffee shops, what was interesting about his neighborhood, and then I would just go there and and check it out and just see different places. And it was a lot of fun for me and I, I explore all the hikes in the city, or wherever the I, I feel curious about and I just let myself go, Oh, I'm curious about this, we're just gonna go and check it out over there and sleep every night and go, see, check out your fun Cafe coffee shops, like local places, sometime I took a ferry, I go on an island, like a very remote island around the southern goals of Vancouver. So I didn't have for like, two years, two and a half years. And
Harry Turner 26:02
that requires a lot of courage, again, courage, confidence, courage, competence, self compassion. And so that requires a lot of courage. And also, you planned it out. So you knew that you could do it, you had enough information. So the competence was there. And of course, they're going to be slip ups along the way. But you're going to have good days, bad days, like sun, sunny days, rainy days, whatever, but you keep on moving, you keep following your heart.
Vivi Thai 26:30
Really smooth van life is not really easy. It looks very pretty and exciting on videos. But in reality, if you if you don't love traveling, as much as I am trying to keep up with, it definitely is not a very easy lifestyle to go with. Maybe for some people, they can do part time, or they can do seasonal, or just go away for the weekends or camping. But doing full time like I did, it wasn't at all easy, because there's that sometimes I then got right down and I didn't have a place to stay. And occasionally, I got people yell at me, because they think that I was homeless. And they think that I was trying to take over the parking space in their neighborhood. Because it was an upscale neighborhood. And I was actually working there in the neighborhood. I needed to park there regularly. But but because they just see that I have a big van, big camper van. So they're like, "are you homeless" and you're in an upscale neighborhood. So people were actually watching me and one time they even called police on me. Just not one time, but several times
Harry Turner 27:53
the crime, the crime of being homeless, and that's what they call the police. So that's the that's the crime. She has less money than us. So let's call the police.
Vivi Thai 28:06
Yeah, that was really interesting how people are just interpreted that way. And sometimes, and I get this question a lot that people are like, do you choose to leave it that way? Are you forced to leave it that way? And news always surprise people, when I say no, I choose to leave it that way, is a lot of fun. And I really love it. I have people that come up to me all the time in the parking lot when they see my van and they see me working in a van. And they always stopped me and asked me other things about van life. And some of them are like very curious. And they wanted to know what the lifestyle was really like. And they they have the the vision or the dream of being free like a free spirit like me as well. But the only is afraid of losing their job or leaving giving their family behind or leaving their spouse or their boyfriends and girlfriends and all that. So everyone keeps coming up to me and say I want to live by you. But I don't think I can detach myself from all of those things in order to be free, right like you are. And yeah.
Harry Turner 29:21
Yes, and Lao Tzu, this is where he says "it's only when I let go of who I am, that I become who might be." That space when something is telling you that it is time to change. It is time for you to choose you. There's going to be this tension there. This and I call that tension or what that tension can be referred to as is a liminal space. It's a space of really choosing. Are you going to choose you? Are you going to continue down the same patterns, having the same experiences experiencing the same emotions and wondering and questioning the same things.
Harry Turner 30:02
And so in that space, when you finally choose you, it is so liberating. But there's also going to be fear there. That's why courage has to be a part of your your equation. It's not that you have to be absent fear to do it. It's just that you have to acknowledge that your fear is there, and then choose to do it anyway. Because it represents your values. You choose your values above anything else.
Harry Turner 30:24
And one value is definitely introspection that you and I both shares, introspection, self knowledge that I'm going to rule Know thyself, but ignorance and freedom can coexist. And yeah, it may look a little crazy to your friends and family. They may seem a little crazy to your friends and family,
Harry Turner 30:42
but understand this as a therapist, when I go into a room when I was working in the emergency room, and I did, and I would do psychiatric assessments. If I went into that room, and I'm talking to somebody. And of course, I see on the chart already, that is psychotic features that are suspected. So if I walk into that room, and that person, I asked that person, do you see somebody sitting beside you? And they said, Yes. And somebody was sitting beside them, Hey, I see him, and no issue. If I ask them if somebody sitting beside you, and they say yes, and I don't see someone, then I'm going to say that some psychosis is there are some illnesses there. And for those of us who don't understand mental health, the less the more or less colloquial or really just not PC at all, we have seen it, that person is crazy, I would never call anybody crazy. Of course, because of my profession, that person is crazy. I say all that to say, apply that to real life, that when you see things that your family and friends can't see that when something calls in your heart and tells you to go a certain direction and your friends and family just can't relate to it at all, they will treat you as if you're "crazy". Yeah. And they will treat you as if you're crazy. And your obligation to yourself is to do it anyway.
Vivi Thai 31:59
Yes, and I did face that actually, I bought my family. And because they do not approve of it. Luckily, some of my friends think that is pretty cool. And they like to get to know me because friends here in Vancouver, but my family because they very traditional, conservative, Asian kind of people. So mindset of very different than me, because I was living on my own when I was 17 in the States. So in some way, a more liberal, more like open minded kind of person. I'm definitely the black sheep regardless in my family. But it took a long time for them to come to terms with the fact that this is my lifestyle.
Vivi Thai 32:48
So even though my mom was like, I'll support you, and I give you money. And if you want to go study PhD, and you want to happen a different degree, it was like "no". I know very well, that in my heart, it has no longer to life that I wanted to live. That part of me, I just let it die. And I feel grateful for it. And that's the reason why I have the story. And I'm sharing my story now because of everything that I built off from the past. But that's no longer me anymore.
Vivi Thai 32:48
And this is what I'm choosing to do. I don't know, for how long but at least this is what my heart is. And this is what my passion is, and doing it anyway. And there was worry, of course for me. And they my mom tried to convince me to go back to a normal lifestyle. And I think she would really wanted me to go back to that corporate life. But I knew it in my heart. And I was very determined. Like, I'm the kind of person that if I know something, I nobody can persuade me. I would do what I want to do because my heart is passed on it. And I don't let other people to tell me all the whys.
Vivi Thai 34:11
Like I'm a completely different person now because I allow myself to set my own path. And I do it without anyone's anyone else's influence on me because it's my I just let my heart attack me on the way even with the little things and I didn't care about how much money I was walking in my job even like I was working at the lowest minimum wage. But it was fun for me just to experiment and try it out and see whether that could lead me somewhere. And it actually did it led me do another job that I had so much fun of doing and I love it and everything was really going well for me in Vancouver. I love what I Do. But like, inside of me, I felt like there was something more like I wanted to achieve more like I was meant to do more. And I didn't, even though I had fun with a job, and I enjoy doing it very much. And it was in my passion in my interest. It wasn't enough.
Vivi Thai 35:22
I knew that I want it to be something more purposeful and something more fulfilling. So that was like another turn for me when I had to leave my job in Vancouver. And I decided to get on another journey. And I traveled across Canada, to again, finding myself another layer of myself. And we cannot find ourselves, we don't let go of who we were. And if we keep attaching to that story.
Vivi Thai 35:59
But at that place, I realized that many people would not do that, because it's very comfortable. It's comforting, because I have enough to live. And I have a good job that I really like. And I had friends there in Vancouver, and I even had time like the job was flexible enough. And I still had time to explore Vancouver and do whatever I want. Everything I wanted, I had that. Whenever I reached to the maximum point like when I was in Boston, I had to job that I wanted. But it didn't go well. And I was depressed. And now in Vancouver, I also have this time, it's a lot better. And I had the job that I liked. And I had a great boss. I had great coworkers, beautiful cities, a lifestyle that I really enjoyed the evening. But I didn't feel like it was purposeful, I feel that something was missing.
Vivi Thai 37:00
So again, people telling me it's crazy. Why do we all have that within in the pandemic, and I was traveling across Canada, but it was a lot more difficult to travel in pandemic because there's more restriction, but I decided that I would not let the outside circumstance to affect me anyway, and, and I was following my heart along the way. And so opportunities open to me. And that's how it came with book. And now the YouTube video and now I'm on podcast. And I feel like the estate, the curtains, last curtains. And along the way you don't really know exactly you can see all the way to the end. But you can see it actually go through these three and this square like is slowly opening up and it feels like walking into dark. And that's kind of what it feels like for me when I walk on the path with the heart. Just follow your passion I one step at a time, even though there's so many uncertainties, there's so many unknowns. And I knew that we have to overcome that feels right a bit. But it's they have to do it anyway. And so it trained me to have more courage along the way. And it trained me to overcome my fears along the way as well. Ever since I go on this path. And the person the version I am now it's like when I look back a couple years. Wow, it's so different.
Harry Turner 38:41
So much more expanded, because cell phones are safe as at the harbor, but they were never built to remain docked. And so when you said sales to uncharted waters, what you're truly experiencing in that unknown place is more of you. That's how vast you are. You exist. We our skeletal structure consists of the same elements as stars, star dust is in our skeletal structure. We were born to shine and show us stars shine brightest at night. So in that dark night of of your story of your journey, understand that that night is only there so that you can better express your light that you have when he inside through the transmute and transmutation, transformation, and transcendence of your story. And so we really want to ask, I know we, there's so much that we could talk about but with time being what it is. I don't even want to get into the book if that's okay. A few questions about the book. So you went deep. I love this book because it's all mine like mine. I love books that teach and I love the fact that you did your research. So clearly a part of your process was to learn more than what you already knew throughout this journey and that's a bit Take part because ignorance and freedom can coexist. And so in the in the very beginning, I looked at the seven stage, alchemical process that transforms one element into another. And you have down here count calcination, dissolution, separation, conjunction, fermentation, distillation and coagulation. And so I want to I want to basically just ask you how, how is understanding this process of alchemy? Because I am, I am, I'm calling but I teach in life coaching is a mental alchemy. And so I believe that this so happy to have you on another kindred spirit that understands the the alchemy process. And can you just speak to that the process of, of why alchemy? Why understanding this physical process of alchemy? What does that have to do with your personal journey? Oh, it
Vivi Thai 40:54
has everything to do with your personal journey, because how can we it's a matter of process is universal. And it happens to everything because everything has to transmute, everything has to transform, and we are part of the universe we are part of nature as well as so we also have to transform we also have to transmute. And so it's our soul, our energies, we, because energy is constantly changing, right? It's an Adi, conserve or is has to be transmitted to change into something else. So alchemy is that alchemy, a transmutation and transformation, not think is really constant, because only constant is changed. And so when you pull it up that process when you are aware of how this change is IT transformation is when you understand so much about your growth, about your life, the patterns of your life. And when you see that patterns of your life, you start to understand the reason why you're here, start to understand your purpose. And then you get to design your future, like when you want to go into the future. So you decide it for yourself. And that's the beauty of alchemy. And you can use it for part of the manifestation as well when you get to understand it. Now, I wouldn't say manipulation when you get to understand all the stages, but you can work with the stages, and just be on the flow of it instead of going against it because every state gonna present some challenge. If you don't go with a challenge and you like hold back to your story, then you kind of go again to the flow and you cannot grow and you cannot grow, you cannot transform, then you're not on the flow of the universe. And that's the reason why we struggle we suffer. Because we are not along with the universe, we are not one with the universe and alchemy, allow you to immerse yourself into that transformation, to be one with the with the one with the universe with all the existence.
Harry Turner 43:13
Look, please let the people know, I'm gonna give you the stage for a second, please let the people know where they can find you. It's just been such a pleasure to have you on here.
Vivi Thai 43:21
Thank you so much, Harry. I'm actually glad that you'd like to book and to your listeners, how they can find me it's from my website is called living through alchemy.com is also the title of my book as well. So when you go visit the website, you can actually download the first chapter for free. I give that chapter for features. So it would help people to understand the process of alchemy, but it is basically gives you an overview of alchemy. And my book is actually available on Amazon. So you can purchase this anywhere is ebook or hardcover or paperback. And on social media. I'm active on Instagram. And my instagram handle is smiley the V. Basically smiley face. And the vv My name is Vi vi oh five. And I'm also active on YouTube. This is where I share about my brand lifestyle and my growth journey. So you can also check out my YouTube and it's called personal growth through vanlife. All right,
Harry Turner 44:36
sister again, thank you so much for being honest on the stage. It's been a pleasure to have you and again it's a really appreciate the authenticity in his book. And I encourage everyone to go out and purchase a copy of EVs book, Sr, any other words you want to say before we before I let you go?
Vivi Thai 44:55
If I could have just one last thing to share, but your audio You're going to just follow your heart. And that's the first thing that I started on this journey. And here's the most important lesson that I received. And so that's what I want to share with the audience and allow your your intuition to shine listen to it, and follow it even though it doesn't make sense. You may not understand it at the next step, but you understand it in the next 10 steps and you can see that why you would have to go on this path. And so, if your heart tells you to do something, just follow it. Follow your passion, follow your heart.
Harry Turner 45:36
Thank you so much, sister. You have just listened to another amazing episode of Is that so? Season Three, auto dial is only getting deeper and deeper on a course I'm inviting on guests who can speak to this transformational process of introspection of doing the work of facing your shadows, and then being liberated from it. I am your host and nocturnal therapists, please go and get your free guide to shadow work available at become an outlier.com/links. Again, that is become an outlier.com/links Please go out there and get your guide. Again, Mad Love and respect. Agape can stay late.