Harry Turner 0:10
Hello hello hello my outliers out there. Welcome to another episode of Is that SOO season three. Today we will be talking about Jungian shadows and shamanism with knocking doc knocking doc I'll get knocked in doc today. So I'm excited to have doc on here. He's been on the When Harry Met Daphne show. He's also held us at this exclusive place for for learning how to forage and identifying plants in which a poison is which or not definitely took his recipe on how to make cheese to heart and came home immediately after that weekend and made cheese I mean, literally, the next day or actually may have been the same day because I traveled home in the middle of the night. Either way, the man got some skills that I learned and again intentionality reflects relationship right? So I had to be intentional about doing something with those skills less they become faded and it's fade away in my memory and I no longer know how to make cheese when I had this brilliant expert doctor. Teach me the skill of making cheese now,
Harry Turner 1:12
Dr. Merriwether, whether you if y'all haven't heard about him, Go find out about him. I'm going to put his banner right here Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen I gotta say the full name at least one time Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen. I think I pronounced that right. That's this is an exotic name. So either he was destined to be some type of like genius educating the public in something some type of specialty, or he was destined to become a vampire. That was one or two with that last name border broken. He was definitely on the verge of vampire ism. But thankfully, thankfully for us, he became a teacher. And he's teaching us all types of things plant and medicine is a website is medicine man plant CO and I put it down here at the bottom so y'all can see. But for those on a podcast, of course, I'm gonna go back over this at the end of the podcast. But I wanted to give you all a just a prelude to who I'm bringing on the stage.
Harry Turner 2:07
And you're going to understand why in this episode, I've decided to play the role of students. So I'm just going to sit in the background. We're not in the background and sit right beside my brother, but he's going to be the one that's teaching about Jungian shadows and shamanism. I know enough. I know, I know some some things about shamanism, and, of course, about Jungian shadows, Carl Jung until the unconscious becomes conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate. Y'all have heard me say it before. But I also know that in all our knowingness, there was more to know, I put out a real recently, and I said that many of us give in to the Great Deceiver of the mind. And that it convinces us that we know a thing when we only know of a thing. And I liken that to someone coming to me and saying, saying something about you, for example, someone comes to me and says something about you. And then later on, down the road, someone asked me, somebody else asked me, Hey, do you know so? And so talking about you? If I'm being honest, I would have to say I know of them, but I don't really know them. You see, I don't know you unless I know you. Same goes for knowledge. i You don't know unless you many of us have been convinced that we know when we truly know of real world example.
Harry Turner 3:25
Do we understand that? The digestion center being the stomach that when we have stomach pains, those pains, pain is meant to break make you aware of a thing, that's what your pain is there to do not to bring in judgment, but to say your awareness needs to be in this location. With all that being said, now I'm really going back. See, that's why I had to get all this out right now. Because I'm going back to students see, and I'm gonna let my brother teach us all about this topic was knocking doc, but, um, let him he's going to his tutelage today. So without further ado, I'm going to bring in my brother, Dr. Mary, whether I say the full name already, I'm saying it again. They is what's going on dot?
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 4:04
Hey, I gotta tell you, that's probably the best intro I've ever had. And then everything after that, I'm thinking, oh, man, we need to have a six hour sit down broadcast conversation, and just a couple of beers and chatting because there's so many things like Ooh, I like to talk about that. Oh, sorry. Anyway, I get excited when when people talk.
Harry Turner 4:31
Yeah, same here same Yeah, Doc. So I appreciate that man, as they say real recognize real, right?
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 4:36
Yes. Definitely, most definitely.
Harry Turner 4:40
So doc, welcome to the stage. Sir. Did you want to do you want to tell the people in it to get anything to introduce yourself before we begin? Yeah, so
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 4:47
just a little more background on my education. I have a master's in medicinal chemistry, a PhD in physical organic chemistry, but I've devoted my life to understanding the the chemistry In the physics of nature, are placed in that and how to use things from nature like our ancestors did for two and a half million years, to better our lives and our health because I believe a lot of our issues are due to the MAL adoption between our prehistoric bodies and modern life. And so reconnecting us to nature goes a long way towards making us fit back in and the world we've created. Okay, all right.
Harry Turner 5:29
All right. Okay. That is passion. That is passion and education and knowing your shit. That's what that sounds like.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 5:39
I've been doing this a very, very long time.
Harry Turner 5:43
That's what's up, man. That's what's up experiences definitely been good to you, brother. Definitely. So Titus and for me, man, how does that based off your passion? It does that tie into Jungian shadows and shamanism, or is this another branch.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 5:59
Okay, so I see everything as a whole. There's walls, but each wall is part of the room, that is our existence in the universe. And so I've been actually ever since he approached me with this topic, I've been been thinking about it, and how best to explain my views in a way that hopefully, people can understand the concept of shamanism, and the shadows and all that sort of thing. And so I think I got some good allegories, because it seems like the best teachers, they use the allegories, but let's start with shamanism in general, and the the simplest way to describe that is nature speaks, nature speaks, that doesn't mean you aren't necessarily going to understand what's being said, especially at first if you just walk outside. But given time given observation, nature speaks in all sorts of ways, not just like words, a tree burning bush talking to you. It's what you see what you smell, what you hear what you feel on your skin, what you feel, just go sideways, for a second, we were talking about the gut and problems with the gut, gave a presentation yesterday on the digestive tract. And something people don't realize is we have a whole bunch of brain cells, neurons at line our digestive system, and are constantly working with the entire body, talking to the brain talking to the other different nervous systems in the body and really helping control us, especially on emotions, and once desires, fears, all that sort of thing. But in the end, when people try and separate things, it's I had to study a lot of quantum mechanics. And there are three things that I took from quantum mechanics in my studies of quantum mechanics, everything is connected, everything is connected, and everything is connected. So each one of those three words is extremely important to the whole picture. There is no separation behind the scenes in the area, like you mentioned, where we can't see that it gets to the point where you can't use language, verbal language, you're reduced to just being used mathematics, because mathematics in the end, is one of the key voices of the universe. But we're drifting away from shamanism here. Because when people think about shamanism, again, they think witchdoctors bone in the nose running around animal skins, taking magic mushrooms and talking to leopards. sort of thing. And it's sad that that's the, the motif that has been created around it. Because in the end, going back, it is understanding yes, everything is connected. And in nature. That's it, we are all connected. And if you allow all your sensory organs to interact with nature, you start understanding things, the big picture, so give toss me a line here. So because there's there's different ways I can go, but I want to try and help you help your viewers and everything.
Harry Turner 9:09
This topic of shamanism has popped up a lot in the past two years after I had to do a lot of soul searching and whatnot. And all of a sudden, I get these random people telling me that basically, that that's what they see in me, and also, some of the things that I that I checked out and it's crazy. So I'm like, okay, so what is a shaman started doing some, a little bit of research, not too much, because I really wanted to speak to people who really had those experiences or really knew or really know. So I guess, one of the one of the things that stood out to me that you said, Of all the things that you set out is that you begin to experience like life like you see that life is communicating to you, in all ways. Always at all times. It's the sensing I was thinking about this last night and please just bear with me if I Sound, I just need to talk about alien language for a second. It's the sensing and if we're born, dying, and if we live one day on this planet, that is a gift, the gift of sensation, we sense and experience life through all sensations. And it's quite natural for the part of us that came here to do the sensing so that we can do the experiencing, for it to fear its mortality. And try to forget about the fact that we are energetic beings. But that's truly what we are. We are energetic beings, having a human experience through the sensing, and we get to experience all of these wonders and wonderful sensations, and all of these not so wonderful sensations. But again, this weeding sweet without the bitter in ISness, nothing exists without its opposite. And you know that and so you accept the seasons of your heart, you accept the cycles, as it pertains to, to this topic of shamanism. I really wanted to understand what, why, like, why are people? How is this related? I'm gonna get real personal normally, I try to keep it broad. But how was that? How could people look at me and say, Shaman, I don't understand it. It's, you know, I'm saying,
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 11:06
and it's obvious that you're a guide, you are leading people. That is, so they're shamanism and their shamans, the shamans are the ones who grasp the concepts, what's before them, and then use that information to help guide the tribe. But you're looking at the people, you're talking to the people, you are sensing all sorts of information about the people, you're analyzing the people, you are picking up information that they may not even be necessarily be aware of, because you're so in tune with human nature in general. And that, again, leads you to well, if this is the issue, maybe if we send you this way, we can help you deal with that issue. So that's that's the shaman there. They're the guides. They're more than just healers. Again, going back to the witch doctors and healers and rub these leaves on your skin. Know the purpose of the shaman is to help people understand their purpose in the tribe, their purpose on the planet, their purpose in the universe. Because the shamans have devoted themselves to understanding a little bit more how things work, then the people running around trying to make a living. Basically, they've they've lived their lives to contemplation and study, and trial and error and trial and experimentation and all this to really grasp what's going on.
Harry Turner 12:35
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 12:36
there we go. You're in a nutshell. No pun intended.
Harry Turner 12:42
Hey, brother, that's crazy. I feel so seen right now. It's crazy because in when I looked up and again, these are just tools but the tool of human design when I did my profile and got deep into that that's exactly what it said it said I was I was sent here to be again it also later on and that's that's when the first time there were shaman popped up. It basically was like you are here to basically be a 2022 Shaman, this is this is what you hear. This is why you have any sorts of experiences, these sorts of experiences. This is why you move this is why you see this and other people can't see this and you're trying to figure out why other people can't see what you see. It's not meant for them to see it's meant for you to see and why you connect with nature to waited like I've been nature has been talking to me all my life. Like I've learned so much from nature just going outside and like you can it's it's this unspoken language is sensing like something. It's the flow is the flow. I
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 13:39
love that. Yeah. And that's what life and energy and nature is it's the flow of energy, matter and energy are in convert are can be replaced by each other. They're basically two sides of the coin, and just the the energy radiates. You had mentioned multiple people have called you a shaman. And I find that not surprising because of why we discussed this. But part of the reason I wonder the people attract certain types of people is this when they have some sort of aura or essence. It attracts other people with that sort of aura or essence. And one of the effects with this is it can be somewhat of a self selecting group, you kind of get similar people. This leads to the language of those people, the people that were attracted to you in their mind, they're nothing he's not like a medical doctor. These what what what is the other there's more to him. There's nature and those shamans? Yes, yes, he's a shaman, the one who who explains the shadows so that it'd be interesting to see how other people after spending some time with you would describe you would they use jump to that shaman language or would they find some other prophet or guide or scout or not different things like that.
Harry Turner 14:56
I literally call myself guide I even had that in my treatment plans. Like in my private practice my licensed private practice, because I wanted my clients to understand that I'm just here to guide, I'm just merely a guy you got to do the walk in. And also a guy can only bring you as far as they've come and not come to understand and know. So that's sort of kind of like my informed consent, like, I'm merely a guide. And I can only guide you, as far as I've come to know. So does understand that the even limitations to my understanding, you know,
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 15:22
so it's all different names for very similar things. It's more how is the person interpreting the language than the language itself? Yes, please send to all sorts of things. Yeah. Hmm. What words mean to different people and the visual picture is a created? Yes, Doc.
Harry Turner 15:41
Are you do you have? Is there any curiosity there? Do you have a question? Because I will questions.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 15:48
No, I'm having fun. I hit me with the questions. Okay. Otherwise, I have to reveal myself. To you. That sounds dangerous. You may point out some things I'm trying to keep hidden.
Harry Turner 16:01
Hey, brother, we have come up with a personal mission statement, man, is to assist others in developing the audacity to live on apologetically authentic, you are free here, brother. You are safe.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 16:10
I know. But freedom is that's a lot of people don't want to be free. Yeah. Yeah.
Harry Turner 16:18
That's it, scared of freedom pushing themselves into their own self chosen prison built off of their fears. And that is the hardest prison to escape the one you can't see touch, taste or smell that invisible prison estimate tricks.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 16:32
That's the whole purpose of my Mohawk is to remind me I have escaped the conformity and that prison and I am trying to live as my own person. Hmm.
Harry Turner 16:45
As a fellow Shaman. So tell me sir, how does shamanism tie into foraging? And I definitely wanna get back to Jungian shadows because we want to tie in a little bit more Zhang to this shamanism and connect that, but how, first, how does shamanism connect with foraging? And then second, how does shamanism connect with Carl Jung?
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 17:08
Okay, let's start first with the whole foraging thing. And the simple answer is nature. If you are going back to the shamanism is letting nature speak to you, if you're sitting in front of sitting in the living room surrounded by four walls your entire life, you're not going to get a lot of messages from the universe, you're not going to develop an understanding there as easily as when you're out cause and effect and everything else. And just just sensing and letting the nature wash over you as a forager, I have to be very observant of nature to find what I'm looking for. Because over time, you start realizing not just how to look for a specific plant, but you'll learn what are the other plants that indicate this plant may be around. So if you think about you, in one world, they call them plant gills, plant guilds, where you will find a number of the same plants together. And so instead of just looking for one particular plant, you're looking for any number of these other plants, which will then suggest that the plant you're looking for is also going to be there. So you're starting to get this bigger connection to nature. So that's, that's a key key thing. And then the ecosystems, the weather, what the weather was three days ago, all this sort of stuff, it all comes into play. Like when I'm doing these cooking classes, and so forth, I kind of have an idea. But until the very morning, that's when I go okay, this is what's going to be in the recipe because I know what the weather has been, I know what's on these properties Away we go, but to to forage well. And to bring other people out, you really need the whole picture, the whole picture, the whole the whole ecosystem, what's going on, if you're wanting to go to the grocery store, you kind of know what part of the town the grocery store is going to be in. It's not going to be out in some junky area or something like that. You know where to find your food in the modern world. It's what are the signs your dominant Oh, there's a Kroger or HEB or Piggly Wiggly or something inside the grocery store, you know where things are going to be with foraging, it's that same sort of understanding. But having that view of nature, it's where things are, you know how to find things. What's in season, what isn't the big picture? What's helping each other. Usually plants are growing together because they help each other. So
Harry Turner 19:33
speaking of real quick, I'd be remiss if I did not ask you this why it popped in my mind. The book man did your new book come out yet? Yes,
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 19:41
it came out last Tuesday.
Harry Turner 19:42
I'm glad that your new book came out man. And again, I just preached I'm appreciative for you for that weekend, man. Seriously, it was that space. You saw me wander off in the group a little bit as we were walking back towards and it was again the feeling the sensing the sensations opened up with the wind and And I'm sensing all of this energy on this historic path. Can you tell the people about the path that we want again? Oh,
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 20:07
so the path that I'm personally on or what was going on that day when we were day
Harry Turner 20:12
and day, the path whether Oh, okay, yeah.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 20:15
So we were foraging and cooking and feasting at a place called Caddo Mounds Historic site here in Texas. And part of their there is a trail of the El Camino Royale, which is the road that led from Mexico City, all the way to New Orleans, Louisiana. I didn't realize that a couple of weeks ago, I was in Louisiana, at New Orleans and discovered the same thing and read more of the history. But yeah, from Mexico City, all the way up into New Orleans, there's still bits and pieces of this road. This trail is really what it was. Because especially with the Native Americans, they had no wheels, it was a footpath. But it was a footpath that led from Mexico City, all the way into the area that's now New Orleans. And so for 1000s of years, it was a trade route and all this other thing when others the Westerners showed up, that trail was already there. It was convenient they had found the easiest way to go so let's keep doing this. So yeah, it's it's a very very ancient path that people have been walking for a long, long, long, long time.
Harry Turner 21:22
It was on that path to start it's like really begin to like feel the energy of that place. That's why I had to just stay there for a little while in the sitting that man so I guess Yeah, the way that you describe nature has always spoken to me man. And I've learned so much from it, I even describe it in my practice or using nature. I give examples I said and when, when you when when it as it pertains to connections, you want to make sure that you are on equal frequency and what I call equal frequency, I guess to make it more practical is you want to have a similar value set. Because if not, it's like a cold and warm front coming together. There's bound to be storms because everything seeks out balance and equilibrium. And so as you were talking about nature and how shamanism is it's a really deep into nature and reading and understanding and interpreting and communicating. I'm like, okay, okay, I'm beginning to understand. Yeah, bro. That's, that's, that's awesome. If you're seeking a life coach nocturno therapist is the name and mental alchemy is the game. If you want to understand how to transmute, transform and transcend these challenges in these challenging emotions, find me at the School of outliers at become an outlier.com/links. Again, that's become an outlier.com/links stay lit and agape. Was that everything that you want to say on shamanism in foraging?
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 22:46
Let's let's give the viewers one more example. Please, because you heard me you say you heard me talk about this at the at the class as an herbalist one of the questions I get a lot is how did we learn? The plants are medicinal, which plants help us which plants hurt us? Was it just trial and error? And no, it wasn't trial and error, the trial and error involved would have taken far too long. If you look at the historical records, if you talk to the indigenous tribes that are still around hunting and gathering like in the Amazon and places like that, when you ask him how do you know these plants are medicinal, the response is, has been and remains the plants told us the plants have told us. And again, going back into the Western nomenclature, language interpretation of words. They're thinking the Shaman was in some Ashwagandha or Asha in some sort of hallucinogen trip, and a plant design. Hey, use me for fevers and malaria. And that's not what's going on. And so, in my studies of humans, and biochemically all this stuff tied together, one of the things I found repeatedly occurred with people lost at sea. They'd be in a lifeboat floating around their boat sunk, and so they're in this little life raft, and they have a fishing kit. And they're catching fish and they're really in in the fish and they're eating the meat of the fish. The Shami, the raw meat is, again build a fire in a life raft. This goes on for about six weeks. But after six weeks, a really interesting thing occurs. It's like a switch gets flipped in their brain. And now they've they catch the fish. They're looking at the fish and going wow, those eyeballs look fantastic. I want to eat those eyeballs. And the liver here. Yeah, I want to eat that. There's other squishy bits. I don't know what they are, but I really want to eat them. Why have I just been eating the meat? There's all this other good stuff here. Which before that switch was flipped they think was disgusting. I didn't want to eat, but the body knows what it needs. I said we have the brain cells lining our stomach. It's constantly analyzing what we're getting, seeing what is needed and telling The brain, hey, we need x. So when they're catching this fish, and they realize that after six weeks, they're starting to develop mal malnutrition issues. And the brain is saying, Okay, I know there's stuff in those eyeballs, I can sense through the smell through the color, through the little bits that I've tasted their stuff in there. The fish speaks to the fisherman, and says, There's stuff here you need to eat. And the brain goes, Yeah, give me those eyeballs. And away you go.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 25:28
So when we hear the plants told us, it's from deep study, by the by the shaman, observing, tasting, sensing, smelling, crushing, experiencing the plants. And then at some point, the brain goes, "Hey, you know what, your liver has been a little wonky. (Eat) This, eat this. See this? See what happens? Because I'm thinking there's something here." Because it's, our brain works that way. If you let it, experience things and study things, it can pick out what it wants.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 25:28
There was a fascinating study that just came out. And it was completely unsurprising to me. But if you put a bunch of different types of food in front of people, they naturally gravitate to the foods that they need for nutritional value and your random healthy Americans. But you know, they have grapes and bananas and Twinkies and beef and sausage and on bacon, and peas, and strawberries and all this up there. And then they just they take blood samples and study the person before then let them into the air and sea and that they gravitate to what they need. They don't realize they need it. And forehead burn to the brain cerebral cortex part of the part part, but the brain and the stomach brain are saying, Yeah, that's what you need. Yes, that's how things are speaking to us. And it's not just nutrition. That's peace of mind. You need to be out here and listen to the wind for a while. Trust me, you're going to be better if you just come out here and listen to the wind, and let nature sounds and so forth. Your brain needs that soothing excitement, sort of Yes. So it's not just at a nutritional level. It's a whole everything.
Harry Turner 27:14
Yes. To this day, I ride with my windows down. Even if the AC is on, it's kind of hot, dying Louisiana. Still windows down. I need that air. I need that air.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 27:25
The dogs have their head out the window because they're there. Oh, so much softer sense. So much here. This is awesome.
Harry Turner 27:33
The syncing oh my goodness, the syncing and so just opening unplugging your senses and opening up your syncing like clean, like having that purge. When I went to Africa as a matter of fact, that was amazing. For me, I've ate more than than I've ever eaten in my life, but ended up losing 30 pounds, I was there for a month and a half, I lost 30 pounds, I would wake up with the roosters. Like no issue. Whereas before I had to take sleeping pills. And I guess being away from electronics, cell phones and computers. And I really haven't that I just naturally became grounded and on the same cycle and rhythm as nature. And the syncing the best way I could put it I told my den friend at the time. Now wife, I told her I said, I feel God everywhere here. I said when I'm in the States, I have to clear out the pollution to truly sense. But I said here there's no there's just a sensing there's no there's no block here. Everything is clear. And I didn't know. I didn't know what if I didn't know what how she would respond to that. I know she had understood she understood. And what I really didn't know is that that was I said that we were on a safari. And there were eight other people like sitting down below and we were up top. And so when I said that the wind was going and everything like that. So I had to speak a certain volume. I had no idea everybody below heard me so when I'm when God got down anyway, that was a nice sermon you gave up there
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 29:01
that needed to be heard.
Harry Turner 29:03
But man just just being with life. Okay,
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 29:07
well, okay, let me let me throw one thing out there for non believers out there. Think about this. Humans are special power is to analyze our environment and find resources in it that allow us to do things far beyond any other creature that is our whole our brain is designed to look around and go, ooh, this fiber would make great cordage once I've recorded I can make a net which I can catch fish which then I can eat the fish which is Ooh, fish eyeballs, good stuff. And so we are constantly designed to be analyzing everything around us and thinking, how can I use this? That some people take it to extremes and start using everything and everyone? Not so good, but that is what our brains do. What can I do with the resources? Yes,
Harry Turner 29:59
yeah. That adaptive motion and the brain, the brain being an amazing tool, but when you tap into life you can you can see that it's not supposed to be the vanguard something else is guiding that tool. And I guess that's not I guess that's that's pretty much what this journey is about. Returning back to that sense of that core oneness, however you want to describe it returned back to love ultimately reintegrate with ourselves, pretty much we see what the vision exists in society right now in a culture wars and this and that, that division first begin with the individual before it spreads to the society. Society is no more than a depiction of what's going on individually. We each one of us, Cain and Abel. There you go. So Jungian shadows dark in oh, by the way, did you notice you and I, we just just happen. Yeah.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 30:48
Right. When we went on, we have similar colored shirts on Yeah, I basically have two shirts that work with the green screen. And I used one yesterday, so I needed one today. Yeah.
Harry Turner 31:01
So check this out. Right before our show I had on a different shirt. And me. I don't need like a logical reason. If I feel like putting on a different shirt, I'll put on a different shirt. And it was just like, oh, no, I don't feel this shirt. So let me go through and in the red shirt was just like, there was a light on it. And I was like, Okay, well put on that shirt. But on the vest. Let's do it. Just so happened to be the same color. Pretty much the same color. It's crazy, man. That's crazy. Yeah.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 31:28
Totally crazy. If you're not used to that sort of thing.
Harry Turner 31:30
You're right. At this point. It's
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 31:35
amazing. It's definitely everything is amazing. Yes,
Harry Turner 31:39
definitely. What did you say? What word would you use?
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 31:44
Well, the you're thinking I pay attention to what I'm saying. But
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 31:52
not a synchronicity, but just a connection to the frequencies where they're saying, you know, this is what everything is connected connectivity, sensory input, looking at the universe in the same way, it's going to sound weird, but you know, they've done the studies where the twins have been separated at birth. And they both end up marrying a blonde headed woman named Lois. And they're firefighters and they have two kids, and they both burnt toast and all those sort of things. So there's, there's maintainability amongst Yeah. Oh, entanglement and quantum mechanics. Yes, spooky action at a distance. Yes, the entanglement? Was your word on this one.
Harry Turner 32:35
I did broach it, I did broach it. So if you wanted to tell the people about entanglement real quick,
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 32:40
okay, oh, man, without going to the math. But when you look at subatomic particles are one of their characteristics is what's called a spin state. So when we normally think of an object, we think height, width, depth, those three things, but when you get down to the subatomic world, there are other physical descriptors, you need to describe the object. And so spin state is one of them. And when you have particles that are entangled, what they have is their spin sets, states are connected there, they'll have one that's up and one that's down, then if for something, something perturbs the system, they switch, I'm trying to stay on the green screen, and now the opposite will be up and the other will be down. But what happens though, with quantum entanglement, if you separate these and put them light years apart, and you perturb this one, and flip it up, they've shown that the other one very, very far away, not like yours, but you know, one in Europe and one in America, it instantly flips even though there's no longer any physical, measurable connection, they are still talking to each other behind the scenes. And it's yeah, the spooky action at a distance. Yes, the the monocular to describe what's going on.
Harry Turner 34:03
Yes. And so in that in that space, I don't we don't get we don't get it to join us in just second job. Okay. So in that space, it's it really shows that every collision that we there is no true loss. Yes, not if we're forever entangled.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 34:20
Most definitely, now you're getting it.
Harry Turner 34:24
Hey, I love quantum mechanics, man in quantum physics. As a matter of fact, it's one of the things I love the merger between what the spiritual truths that are in the deeper religion, traditional religions, the spiritual truths that are there. I see the merger between that and science with quantum physics and quantum mechanics. And that's what I love about it is that it's showing that it's saying the same story but from different perspectives. You hear about the theory in it, and then we will move on to the theory of superposition. I mean, how far away is that from omnipresence?
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 35:00
A great book, write this down the the dancing Wu li masters, the dancing Wu Wu. Li Li masters. Write it down. Read it. Wei Wu, and then space Li, Wu li dancers. And it's it's a quantum mechanics book disguised as a Zen treat. See? And it's absolutely fascinating.
Harry Turner 35:30
Now I think I will do it down the title wrong. The dancing bully dancers.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 35:35
Oh, sorry, the dancing wooly masters masters. Yeah, I got confused as I
Harry Turner 35:41
look down on me. Okay, got it. Yeah, we'll be checking that one out. You ain't gotta give me you're gonna like getting a new book. Yeah, I love I love these men, quantum physics, quantum mechanics, my love. Oh, it helps to understand so much and that liberation. But when you understand more, when you truly know more, it, it liberates you, it frees you expand your awareness. And so you can see from the panoramic view, instead of the snapshot view of life, you move from eye level to Sky levels, what I call it just more expansive in that space. So now, now that we have let me throw
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 36:13
one other thing on top of that, please, please buy that expansion. It also expands your responsibilities. Hmm.
Harry Turner 36:22
See, man, you can't just throw that out there and not say a little bit more than that, please.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 36:27
That's okay. Going back to Spider Man did always say with great power comes great responsibility. So the more the more you understand, it almost becomes a fire in you to help others see what you see. Okay. This will eventually segue Are you familiar with HP Lovecraft in the blue mythos? It's he was a he was a science fiction horror writer from the HP Lovecraft and his jutsu mythos which was
Harry Turner 37:02
what you know what, ah, never heard of them before my life.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 37:08
Okay, so one of the reoccurring themes in his stories is that humans are exposed to these elder gods on other dimensions, and they are driven insane, because of the mind can't grasp it. And the best way of explaining this is they see behind the scene, they see this huge, bigger picture for this brief moment of time when they're in the presence of these elder creatures. They see the truth, and then they're shoved back down into the earth. And they have this knowledge that they can no longer share with people because they don't have the words, they don't have the language, they don't have the ability to share this wonderful and terrible vision that they had. And that's what the madness is. And so I tell people, I have to be the preacher I am because if I don't, I will, I'll get swallowed by a whale. This is why I'm put here. But it's in a way it's almost a madness. I I've seen things that I need to share with people. And I think from you, you're you're in that area to where it's I have to do this because I see more. So as a guide as a shaman, we've taken on that role. And now we got to run with it, walk with it and crawl with it and fly with it and, and help others see and hear and smell and feel and all that. But anyway, okay, what is your question?
Harry Turner 38:37
No, no, man look we flowing in the episode we're gonna be what it is. But yeah, the scene there's something in me. It's it's, you know, I described it to my wife but we were dating at the time. Like something like trying its best to get out of me like he just and I'm like, You don't understand because he you become from an outside obsessed from the outside looking in you you it appears that you obsess and maybe you are. But at that point, you really don't give a damn and maybe I stopped by textbook, the definition upset, I don't know. But it doesn't really matter to the person because that fire, the only thing that sue the only thing that gives like, real life to that fire is to speak it into be it into be in it and to just immerse yourself in it and to know more about it and then speak more about it. And it's Oh man, this thing and it's finally come out for me over the past two years. At the same time. I'm learning about human design and now people call him a shaman and now now we understand what shamanism is. And, man it's, it's all connected.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 39:39
Okay, this actually is a perfect segue. Okay, work with me here. Okay, so Jungian shadows. The shadows are basically the parts of us that we refuse to admit the parts that we are ashamed of the parts that we fear the parts that we think are wrong or bad or evil. And because that's a big part of people that has become a very A dominant role and psychoanalysis and all this stuff. What are you hiding from yourself? But going back to what we were just talking about, you never hear or very rarely do you hear about the light beings for the parts of us that are striving, like you said to get out and be announced to the world. Hmm, two sides of the coin. There are the things we try and keep hidden but there's the things we want to release. Mm hmm.
Harry Turner 40:28
That's a great summary. Look, Matt doc you did it. That's it. That's all we needed to say that that's worthy for the title of genuine shadows. And in shamanism perfect knocking doc y'all heard it knocking doc we laid it down like I knew we were gonna lay it down
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 40:43
unplanned just do dudes doc and Aaron. Yeah, man, even the shirts unplanned. We may look like, but But it's connected and flowing. And
Harry Turner 40:54
we synchronicity. Yeah.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 40:56
We've seen like in the the soldiers, they say I've seen the elephant in the military. That means they've seen battle they have been in a life or death battle situation. And once you've been in that sort of situation, it changes you. You're not like the others. But there's all sorts of experiences that set you not like the others. And that connection that understanding that that slightly bigger grasp of what nature is saying. That's a whole nother elephant. Yeah, we've seen the tree. There we go. There. I like that. We've seen the tree because there's more to the tree than we see.
Harry Turner 41:33
Oh, yes, yes, we know, we don't just know of we know, just like layers, again, crust, the Earth's crust, there's layers to the Earth's crust. And the deeper you go, eventually, no matter where you start at, we all reach the same core. This is where you add on your journey to the shamanism. That's why I say a guy can only bring you as far as they've come because you have to do some stuff like you have to be desirous. Like they had to not just desires but had to be something in you that's causing
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 42:01
almost sacrificial at times if you ask the family. Right?
Harry Turner 42:05
Right, exactly. And that's the thing, the sacrifices that you have to make, because you know that it cost sacrifices, and you know what it's gonna cost you and your love, mainly your loved ones. And they don't know. Because they may think that you just be in a hole, but they don't know that this thing in you, you you can't help like, you just know that you got to do something with it, that you got to, like, you got to release it, there's no option for you. Otherwise, it's torture. It's torture. So we get in on that No, like it's torture.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 42:39
You don't want to be a charmer.
Harry Turner 42:41
It's beautiful. It's beautiful. But there's again, there is there's nothing exists without his opposite Ying Ying Yang. And so we have to accept all seasons of our heart, it's good to be able to sense on the level of sensing that we're able to sense. And at the same time, there's, there's a, there's a moon to to that revolves around the Earth that that is there because the sun is there to help out the sun. And so whatever the sun considered, it'd be a moon. And so the moon side of that is, is that, yeah, you have to make some sacrifices. And people have to make some sacrifices, and that they're gonna interpret what you do one way, but because they're looking at a snapshot, and not the panoramic view thing, got the full picture. And that's not for everybody. But you know, but I'm just saying it happens often on this path, and you still got to choose to well, you don't really have much of a choice but to continue to move forward. It doesn't give you a choice. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And hope that they come along, love them just the same and understand like, that's the thing I can I cannot understand why, from the perspective, from what I'm seeing, I can totally understand why others react away to the rag, be it be it favorable and not unfavorable. I can understand it. But when you're moving in that space, you only know you only know if you've seen
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 43:54
the tree or you haven't seen the tree.
Harry Turner 43:59
Doc, man, it's been a pleasure to have you on here, brother. Thank you so much for being on the show, man. It's a joy.
Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 44:07
It's fun to talk about things like this to let the creature out. Yes, let's people who who are starting to understand. Yes,
Harry Turner 44:16
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Dr Mark Merriwether Vorderbruggen 45:44
More of a werewolf don't usually get the cool names.
Harry Turner 45:52
This has been another episode of Is that so y'all appreciate y'all man. I love and respect and stay lit