Harry Turner 0:05
Welcome seekers of truth to another season of "Is That SOO?" Here we embark on the journey together a quest not just for answers, for the right questions that lead us to the core of who we are. Season Four unfolds with many insights and revelations that challenge us to peel away the facades and meet our authentic selves. Let's be illuminated, transformed, and indeed become lit. The knowledge of our true selves. Welcome outlier.
Harry Turner 0:35
Welcome to another episode of "Is that SOO?" and I'm your host, the nocturnal therapist. And today we have an amazing guest. And the title of today's show is harmony and healing. Murielle, hopefully I said that correctly Murielle Fellous on co parenting with the universe, Miss Marielle will join us in just a second to live in truth is to accurately and authentically express who you are moving from I love where the sky level is to move from what some have called the pain body to the actual authentic, self actualized. Self to move to being self LED. You see, it doesn't really matter what you call it. At the core of it, it is the accurate expression of who you are the accurate expression of your essence. And that's why lit or living in truth is so important to me. And I believe it's an eternal and divine search that we're all on to really embrace who we truly are, by shedding off who we are not. Again, it's only when I let go of who I am that I become who I might be. And so there's a whole lot of letting go of who we thought we were in order to lean into the discomfort of learning who we might be. And that requires courage. And you have to have the courage to move towards a goal. What is that goal. And goal is something that's more real for you more authentic, more true for you. And that's what living in truth is. And as you gather more and more truth about you, you notice that you feel more empowered, you feel more free to be your authentic self. So the truth makes you free of moving from ilevel to Sky level. And so I appreciate you all for being here. Feel free to ask any questions. This is why I'm having it as a live stream. But for this season, I was intuitively led to make this a live stream so that others could ask questions and participate. So feel free to ask questions as we go along. But without further ado, I'm going to invite on Miss Murielle. Welcome,
Murielle Fellous 2:55
how are you? Thank you for having me here.
Harry Turner 2:58
It is a pleasure. So you know, first off, let me just, I'm gonna back out, you know, there's a lot that I could say people read the description already when they joined in to join in on the live stream. But I'm gonna step out for a second just let you talk to the people. And you know, let them know who you please let them know who you were.
Murielle Fellous 3:16
So as they are very fast, we'll understand I was raised in France, I grew up in France, I get ID accent. And I've been helping people since I was in high school. Because I all the girls that were suffering back then used to come to me. And at a certain point while raising three kids alone, I decided to get certified both in coaching and more recently in clinical EFT because I was like, I might as well make money with that, right? So I started coaching on relationships. But when my kids became teenagers, things turned a sharp turn. Because they started really to have them mostly started to act out, explore in very dangerous ways. We were living in Las Vegas, so they were trying things that could potentially kill them. And I slowly slowly spiraled in depression without realizing as a single mom. And I really remembered being in a very dark place, saying to God, the universe source however you want to call it. I would not kill myself, but if you take me, I'm okay. And I started really, although I was meditating and having a spiritual practice already. I started asking for help because I was waking up in the middle of the night with heart palpitations, imagining my kids somewhere dead in the gutter in the street or in a party and I was on stressed when Before seven, until one night after I asked for help, I woke up and you talked about truth. And I love that. Because until you can really look at the truth, you can't really start healing. And the way to be able to look at the truth when you are talking about negative stuff about yourself, or what you perceive as negative is to lift the self judgment, because in my case, I used to think that if I didn't like my life, that meant I didn't love my kids. So I wouldn't even admit to myself that I didn't like my life, because for me, it meant I don't have my kids. They're healthy. Everything from the outside looks okay. I couldn't until that night, where I woke up. And suddenly, I understood that we are working paradoxes. On one side, a part of me didn't like my life. On the other side, I loved my kids. And I started crying. Because this vulnerable part of me that needed attending was finally seen, I was finally seeing that vulnerable part of me. And I was finally like giving her a hug, and giving her permission to cry. And that was the beginning of the way back up, which changed
Harry Turner 6:21
my life. Welcome. And my first question for you is what you begin to do? Could you start by sharing what co parenting with the universe means to you, and how this concept has shaped your journey.
Murielle Fellous 6:36
So cooperating was the universe considering that I was like, quote, unquote, a control freak, and was trying to control everything I was trying to protect my kids 24/7, I was expecting from myself to do things that were not humanly possible. So the first step to it was to really identify my zone of power, and identify my zone of powerlessness, and realize that if God forbid, I was meant to lose a kid in that life, there was nothing I could do that could prevent that. So I realized that this was my zone of powerlessness. And I had to surrender that to a higher power, I will be given the tools to deal with that, if and when it happens. So there was no point in allocating any of my energy, thoughts power to that part of my life. Once I was able to do that, I was able to focus on my zone of power, which was, I believe in energy. It's like an elevator, you stop at the floor at which you emote, based on the emotion that you feel it says despair, you're going to stop at the floor of despair. And you're going to be matched with people things, opportunities that resonate with that. So the first step is self regulation, emotional self regulations, which I do with tapping. The second thing was, once you do that, realizing that you don't control everything, open the door, I had already a relationship with my higher power, because I meditated, and I could feel the love. And I could feel the guidance, open the door to that. Put yourself at a neutral emotional state, at least we can realize that right here right now, in this moment, everyone is safe until you learn otherwise. And ask, what's the next step? What do I need to read? What do I need to learn? What do I need to do? Who do I need to be? And the answer, always game can be neutral. There
Harry Turner 8:41
are two steps, you listed the first two steps of the lip process for me the lead effect. And so the first lead factor, that's what I call them individually is acceptance. Because you can't change what you don't accept. And so when you mentioned surrendering to God, that requires a certain level of acceptance, because you said, there's nothing that you can do, it's outside of your power, you can't do anything to save your sons. And so you realize the helplessness that exists in that state of wanting to do something so desperately but not being able to do it. And it wasn't until that acceptance came along, that you were able to pivot because you can't change what you don't accept. A consequence of acceptance is a certain level of peace that was not there before. And in that peace, what comes with that peace is more clarity. And when you get that clarity, now you've got to move on that new scene that you have. And so the first two steps of my processes acceptance and then clarity. So my third stage though, is reconditioning which is I have to be intentional about the new clarity that I've now found because intentionality reflects relationships. If I'm choosing to be a new person. I know that those neural pathways from a scientific standpoint haven't been developed yet. They are definitely not the path of least resist. Since they are the path of most resistance, because I'm going through the forest, chopping down the trees and trying to carve this path through repetition.
Murielle Fellous 10:07
So I totally resonate with what you say, and the uncomfort of change, because at a cellular level, there is a dependence on emotions, because they are biochemical. So if you're always in fear, and even in my case, anxiety, your sales are used to receiving this biochemical of anxiety, so that only will make you uncomfortable. And once you have accepted the fact that change is going to be uncomfortable, and you're okay with that, you're okay with staying in the uncomfortable zone until it becomes your new you. That's you can't move if you don't do that butterflies and rainbows from the beginning. And also connecting with your true power, because that's where your true power is. I love this acceptance piece. And for moms, I'm sure for that too. The self judgment is blocking the acceptance. Because you can't see what what you're judging so strongly, it's too painful, it adds a layer of pain on those suffering. So the self judgment is for me, it was like, Major.
Harry Turner 11:20
That's why also after the third, if you bleed into the to the whole effect, the third stage, I mean, excuse me, after reconditioning, then we go into envisioning, because that that the importance of embracing the new choice that you've made, you know, really seeing the new possibilities now, based off of that new choice, and making higher frequency choices, because you've regulated, you've up leveled the internal, and we're many, many attractive fields. And so we decided to deal with who we are. And in dealing with who we are, we begin to transcend these levels of awareness or levels of consciousness. And as we go up different levels, more options become available to us, that what we don't want to look at, like what you were saying before, what you love to look at, it begins to become recontextualized, based off of love. That's the frequency we lean into. And so now, what we looked at with judgment initially, because love keeps no record of wrongs, we now look at what love and then love recontextualizes that experience and through the context of love, the content becomes different. We're looking at the same thing. But it's completely different now.
Murielle Fellous 12:37
It reminds me of Wayne Dyer, are you familiar with Wayne Dyer, he used to say, when you change the way you think what you look at becomes different. And it's the same thing. And in in my case, I was still raising three teenagers alone, I was still having to have them acting out. But somehow, the love factor for me was the love for the vulnerable part of myself that I had pushed down. So for so long, because I couldn't connect to the fact that I was hard on myself, I couldn't look at anything. Once I was able to love that part of me love the part of me that was in confusion, love the fact that I didn't know what to do love everything. When you talk about reconditioning and tapping, which is actually emotional. The Emotional Freedom Technique has is a combination of I know you mentioned that you wanted me to explain about tapping Can I do it now?
Harry Turner 13:36
So I'll just jump up, put the question out there and say you're a certified and EFT slash tapping in Reiki, how do these practices empower individuals to live more truthfully and in harmony with their inner selves.
Murielle Fellous 13:49
The tapping was a way to first interrupt the pattern of anxiety or anything that was blocking me in the frequency of lower vibrations, which I didn't want. And putting me at least at a neutral, emotional state or higher, if possible, because sometimes the gap is too wide. You can jump from despair to love right away. So using a emotional freedom, technique or tapping, it's the combination of ancient wisdom because it comes from Chinese medicine from acupuncture, the meridians of acupuncture in the body, a combination of elements from cognitive behavioral therapy, and exposure therapy. When you mix the two, and you tap on the end of those meridians on the upper body, and you talk about what is triggering that emotional response, you intercept the response of fight flight or freeze which is a stress response in the brain, which affects your entire body. And once you can intercept that, you can come back Get to a more neutral emotional state and nervous system state, because you're not on alert anymore. So I use that. And it affected my life in every area of my life.
Murielle Fellous 15:13
Through being able to, when I'm too triggered, come back to the present moment to the fact that here now in this moment, I am safe because my body, my nervous system is perceiving a threat. And I am safe. And giving myself access to my whole brain instead of just a brain that is not as when you are stressed or alert stage like fight flight or freeze the frontal cortex, the most newer brain, the analytic brain, the creative brain is not receiving as much blood because the blood is sent to the extremities to the heart, because you have perceived a threat and the body is trying to make you survive, you need to be able to fight, or you need to be able to hide freeze. Once you can that reaction in your nervous system and in your body. You regain access to your full brain, which is what you want to solve your problem because you want to be able to get to the solution. And the next part is so when we talk about Reiki, Reiki is lifeforce energy. So once you add an emotional state that is neutral, a nervous state that is neutral, you can then connect to the higher frequency to more elevated emotions, like love, like hope to start with, and ask for guidance and be really creating the space within you, with your brain with your mind to receive that guidance. I remember when my son was 13, and he was starting to really act out at school and everything. He didn't have a healthy male role model. So I said, Okay, I'm going to find a way I registered him with the Big Brothers Big Sisters, which is an organization in the US, matching adults volunteers, with kids, to give them that model and to form friendships that will be supporting outside of the family system, supporting the kid, my son was 13, they said, is too old that we don't think that we're going to find a match. I said, Put him in the database. Anyway. Fast forward. Two years later, things got even worse with school with everything. I was triggered one day, I went into a room, because I didn't know what to do. I got to a point where I tried to get help from a nonprofit. And they said, if you're not able to control your son, the court is going to take control of your son, and then you won't be able to do anything. So I got so scared that I said, Okay, I'm going to come down and ask for guidance. I promise you, I came down. I asked for the guidance. Two hours later, I received a phone call from Big Brothers Big Sisters. Now he was 15 when at 13. They told me they couldn't find a match. They told me we found a match. And that match had so much in common with our family. It was even insane. And he stayed friend with that man. Until we left Las Vegas like three years later that melted so much.
Harry Turner 18:34
Synchronicity, because for me, that's that's a god wink one of the practices that you can do to elevate your energy, you know, in my faith says give thanks. And all things can. So Gratitude is the highest state of receivership because you only give things when you're about to receive something that you're grateful for something that you need something that you may have been wanting something that you have been desiring. And so when you give gratitude, you're putting yourself in the highest state of receivership, expecting to receive and so in all things give things. Gratitude is one of the highest frequencies that you can embody when you're choosing a new choice. And when you're trying to envision what your life will now look like based off of that new choice, being that frequency of gratitude, you know, the mind looks back once again, but the past for reference, not residents and you're trying to see foresight if you regulate what's going on inside because we don't see things as they are but as we are. So as you elevate what's going on inside, the way that you see everything and the possibilities also begin to evolve. And you have to be intentional about responding to that because the mind will not stop. It will not stop pulling you back towards the old frequency. It does not cease and gratitude.
Murielle Fellous 19:40
That's a daily practice of mine. I have a gratitude journal. And now in my life, I'm grateful for the depression that I went through because it was a catalyst for change. I am so grateful for that. We have the part of the brain the reticular activating see stem which match our beliefs. So the inside with the outside world. And when you practice gratitude, you train your mind and your brain to focus on what you're thankful for. And the reticular activating system, the air RAS is proceeding anything that is relevant to you and matching the proof in the world that you're right, because we need coherence. So when you are focused so much on saying thank you, your RAS is going to show you things to be thankful for. And here is one more and here is one more, it's like a positive magical cycle.
Harry Turner 20:45
For me in a magical about it is just straight up God energy. When you tap into that truth, you just feel free. It's that experience of you know, as a therapist, one of the narratives I tell people, as soon as they come in, is about the elephant trainer, and the elephant, hey, there was this man walking through town. And as he passed up this 110, he saw an adult elephant tied up with this frail, old, frail, weak piece of rope. And this confused the man, he was really curious, he just passing by. But seeing an adult elephant that seemed to be bound with a frail piece of rope, it just confused him. And so he walked into the tin and asked the elephant trainer, how is it that you're able to keep this adult elephant bound with this frill piece of rope. And the Trainer Tells him in so many words, when this right now this rope is no match for this adult elephant. But when this elephant was a child, this rope was strong enough to keep them bound. And you see an elephant never forgets, all I need to do is show it a rope. And it will believe that it is bound and cannot and it's not strong enough to escape it. It's all false evidence appearing real to it. You know, that's
Murielle Fellous 22:03
what we do to our cycles with our fears and our limiting beliefs. We have such a big power, we are connected to God, we are connected to the source, we are a spark of that. And when we really cultivate that connection, we have a huge power. But yet we let ourselves be tied up with this tiny cause of negative thoughts or negative beliefs repeated over and over. And we give away our power.
Harry Turner 22:32
That's it, we give it away. You know, just like when somebody you know, they don't really say too much now, but it's the equivalent to they push my buttons, but they made me mad. No, there is a middle part there and that your beliefs and thoughts and your beliefs or thoughts are driving your emotions. And so you're surrendering your power by not acknowledging that it's you that's in the driver's seat, you're giving them the keys, take back your control, take back your power, because nobody can make you feel any kind of way. But it requires discipline and self control. It requires you to move from the internal instead of trying to regulate the external expectations is a greatest source of frustration. And when you expect to manipulate the external to solve an internal issue, you will always be frustrated and eventually exhausted. And eventually you'll come to a point where you have to just surrender and accept that you don't have the power over this.
Murielle Fellous 23:22
Yeah, we mostly give our power away because in the back of our mind, unconsciously there is a tiny belief that maybe they I remember that reminded me of about a story with my son when he was about eight. He came to me very upset from scope. And I said what happened? He said well, such and such said I was an idiot. And so I said okay, if he had called you a purple elephant with polka dots, would you have been upset? He said no. I said why? He said I don't know. I say because you know you're not a purple elephant with polka dot right? He said, Yeah. So I said, He called you an idiot. Maybe inside of you, you're so afraid that you're an idiot, that it made you react so we started working together to show him that he was not an idiot and then you because those are triggers the importance and we have them as adults to once you neutralize the buttons. I do that with tapping there are so many ways to do it. Once the button is no longer active, it's like a touch phone that doesn't work anymore. You push your push nothing happens and you don't give your power away anymore. Yes,
Harry Turner 24:32
and that's why you don't also is this this is a saying in my face you know not to argue with fools you know, when you understand not to throw your pearls before swine and your pearls being attention web attention goes energy flows and intentionality reflects relationship. If you see something that is not true. Your next choice is to move away from that back towards truth because the more that you look at it More energy you're pushing into it. And so you're intentionally forming a relationship with that by staring at that. So you have to take back that power, stop giving your power to things that are not real or non truths, you got to move towards your truth. What is it that keeps us bound? It's that choice false evidence appearing real, that fear hits us, oh, my goodness, this could actually be true. Oh, my goodness, I don't want them to say this to somebody else. I don't want other people to think this about me. You know, it's that fear that causes us to stare at that, in that staring at that becomes a self sabotaging behavior, because instead of us being regulated by our own choices, now we're allowing the external to regulate us and we can't have what we want. Because what we want to say I want to say I lack and so if that's the energy that you put out there, that energy that comes back is more lack. And so you know, you're self sabotaging by even wanting. That's
Murielle Fellous 25:55
why practicing gratitude in advance is so powerful, because so I raised my kids alone, though, that my budget was tight. And I remember one year, I didn't have enough money, we were going for a weekend, San Diego, and that was our yearly occasion. And I didn't have enough money to do the vacation, and my kids wanted to go to SeaWorld. And so I don't remember how many, maybe three, four weeks in advance, I started saying thank you for the affordable tickets to SeaWorld or better, thank you so much, and really feeling it. I had a co worker who came back from Florida, and she said, Listen, we went there, we didn't have time to go to SeaWorld in Florida, I have three tickets, do you want them, she gave them to me, I had to buy a new one for myself. If that's not magical, if that's not God, if that's not alignment with a higher frequency, I don't know what it is. And I see many miracles like this in my life all the time. Because sometimes we fall asleep at the wheel, we forget. And it's all about, I have a daily routine. But sometimes I forget, sometimes when life become stressful, you forget, and that's okay, forgive yourself and just go back.
Harry Turner 27:11
That's it, because you're bound to remember that even when we stumble, we still stumble forward, you know, anything we're doing is we're doing poorly, you're not gonna get it perfect. You're learning your body is contouring. And just like learning a new exercise, it takes time. You know, just like joining a dojo, you know that when you're in that Dojo that you may start off at white belt, and you gotta go to yellow belt, Green Belt, blue belt, red belt, and get the black belt. And there's a whole lot of tests that come along that. And that is the longest stage of self mastery, which is the unnatural discipline, as Bruce Lee puts it, in, but you're learning how to do this odd form. And you're mastering that, not only you're learning intellectually, but you're putting in what you know, intellectually into motion, which is wisdom. So you're moving wisely, based off of what it is that you're learning. So operating in that intentionality reflects relationship. So even if you do it poorly, sometimes know that you're still operating within your choice. And so you have to forgive yourself immediately. Immediately. Because when you forgive yourself immediately, you no longer need to look at the crime scene, you no longer need to sit there in judgment and doubt in whatever low frequency self sabotaging masochistic thoughts that you can conjure up. You don't need to sit in that crap. Like you really don't. To repent, for example, is really just to make a new choice. That's it. You make a new choice in and
Murielle Fellous 28:37
forgiveness when you know how to forgive yourself, you'll become more forgiving, forgiving with others will fall.
Harry Turner 28:48
I can't honestly say I have a grudge against anybody. I don't, it doesn't resonate with me. I don't feel it. You know, and it's, I know, it's hand in hand with the amount of the forgiveness practice I have for myself, you know, again, you know, adopting a beginner's mind, when I started to have multiple clients. That's how God speaks to me, oftentimes, it's through my clients. So when I have a row of clients, like back to back, and maybe days, maybe the entire week of saying this asking this exact same thing, even though I know they're not having any meetings together, I know that the message is also for me. And so forgiveness came up constantly. And so I said, Okay, have you adopted beginner's mind, you don't even know what that word is. Look it up. And so I looked at the etymology of forgiveness. And I realized that it is to relinquish your desire to see the person that has caused you harm, punished. And so then I had to acknowledge the fact that I'm punishing myself. Yeah, based off of who I am not, and judging myself constantly, based off of who I am not. And so I had to let go of that habit. because it served nothing but my ego. No, that's, that's the ego, the ego will even use your own principles and values against you. And it's painful. Yeah, that's, that's the what they will call the dark night of the soul. You know, when you're at that point where you're just beating yourself up constantly, you know, and then looking at how many in the world are still, again, the patterns of the world, many, many out there are still struggling with that same thing. I mean, all you got to do is go on social media. And it won't take very long for you to see judgment after judgment. Even those that are viewed as positively, I see the messages of judgment, that resonate with the masses, because they also are calibrated to that level. And so it's an applause of the Eagles way of viewing life. But in a very nuanced way, that's catchy. But as I'm looking at it, I'm like, didn't know they're still the same frequency. You know, and
Murielle Fellous 30:58
you talked about learning through your clients. I also noticed that uncertain priors, I attract this specific type of clients with this specific type type of lessons. When I look into it, there is something resonating in me. So that's also for my own healing at another level, maybe. But to look at that, and I believe my personal belief about clients is that it's a secret match, orchestrated by God, by the universe, because we're a perfect match, I can have them and they can receive what I have to offer. And I also receive from them. And I'm always very curious, you talked about being a beginner mind. For me, it's also being curious, not going from a point of I know everything, because that's never true. But like, I wonder, what in me attracted these specific clients this week, that all hats a certain thread of challenge. Why? What do I have to learn from that? And it's, we're constantly growing like, it's become easier. It's
Harry Turner 32:14
a humbling thing is it not? Just this past two weeks, I've had the same thing happened to me again, but not with forgiveness with this one, because forgiveness that would happen a couple of years ago. But with this one, finances, I had a string of clients come to me and talking about the fear over their finances and their livelihood, right. And I'm like, I'm sorry, you know, that you are transitioning out of your therapy practice within the next couple of months. And this is how you made your livelihood for the past decade. And we're more than a decade. And this fear that's kicking up in parts of you, you don't know how you're gonna make it, you know, and that is the scarcity mindset, you know, if I'm gonna use a conceptualization, that's the kit scarcity mindset that I had not dealt with yet. And so to have this string of clients come with this specific problem, again, ain't not having group meetings. They don't know about each other. So for the same topic to pop up that Quebec is like, No, you don't know what I'm talking about, you know, this is you, you need to look at you, Harry. And so I stopped to look at me. Now I'm enrolled in abundance mindset certification course, because that's how I learned new things, you know, I get myself different certifications. I don't know how many certifications I got at this point. But it's just, it's just fun to get. But I'm in abundance mindset certification course. Because that string of clients happen and I got to respond to it. This is blocking my blessing. This is part of the old me that I need to let go of, so I can become who I might be, you know, and so it's amazing how that happens.
Murielle Fellous 33:44
I had the same thing with clients lately with doubt. I want to go to the next level in my business. I what they had doubts with finding the right relationship, especially with one of my clients, who she was progressing super well. And then you know, before you get to the top and everything becomes easy to slide down. It's hard you have to get to the hub and the doubt. So I started going back to Joe Dispenza, whom I really love what he teaches, and deep deep deep into his meditations daily like at least an hour in the morning to become a new me and let go of the doubt that was somehow still there.
Harry Turner 34:29
I'm simultaneously listening to breaking the habit of being myself Wow. During the abundance the abundance mindset that I've already you know, it's Paul to me it seemed like it's already arrived once I was born like I was already arrived like parts of me it was just already actualized but then there's other parts of me you know the human the more humaneness the ego, you know identity parts of me those parts still constantly needs cultivation and then identify new areas, especially as I'm making new choices, that's what new choices I'll make do to you. New choices will identify new areas that you have been avoiding looking at parts of the yard that you hadn't cut in a while, you know, and so now I'm paying attention to it. And it's, for me, it's finances. You know, honestly, I'm looking at all the limiting beliefs around finances, because I'm inviting in prosperity, I'm abiding in abundance. And so I gotta let go of that scarcity mindset, I have to let go of the relationship that I have with money based off of fear. Yeah, you know, and it's not that everything you get out there, when you hear these things, there's a whole lot of charlatans out there that talk about abundance mindset, and there's a whole lot of prosperity preachers out there. They're just snake oil salesmen like it's foolishness, you know, you know, when somebody is real, you know, when somebody is speaking from truth and experience that they actually had, the dialogue that you and I have had thus far is it's been, we know, real, recognize real, it's like, you know, that I experienced, and I know that you experience, because that's the only way you could describe what you're describing. That's the only way I can describe what the way I describe things. Like it's an experience that you got to have, you know, that's that thing. And that experience, that's, that's who knowing this, the mind thinks and confuses thinking with knowing, and then we go based off of what we think we know, which then leads us into a humbling experience. And then God comes along and raises us up from that humble position, because that ego has to become less, so the Spirit in us can become more, you know,
Murielle Fellous 36:32
that's so, so true. I always talk about the fact that we mistake Our thoughts for truth, and that we hold on to it. And when you are at the top of the hill, you let go, we go with our thoughts like that. And we go back down, and we go back up, and we don't let go until we realize until we learn that there are only thoughts you can you need to be in the observer mind, and look at your thoughts with more neutrality. And know from your thoughts, you're going to know what you really believe, and what you have to let go of, and that's the work I think for life. What I find that I don't know, you will tell me if you find that too, is that sometimes I revisit the same areas, but as a spiral, like with a more elevated way to look at it. But still, there is a challenge in there. And it's like a spiral.
Harry Turner 37:25
Yes, it is. There are certain identify that and life patterns. So one of my credentials is heart centered hypnotherapist and, and so I identify life patterns in that process, but also just in my everyday practice, you know, psychotherapy, identifying life patterns, they used to call it in certain religious communities, I say, new level new devil, it's the same old devil, but it's just you on a different level. And so it's wearing different clothing oftentimes, but you're facing it, even though you got to face that same thing. It's just part of the it's part of our journey of actualization, that's what it is. And so there's some healthy resistance that happens in life, certain things, you realize it's just a part of your journey that you're going to be facing throughout your journey, but you become more skillful. And as you become more skillful, what you notice is that every time you face it, there's less and less fear there. And then with the fear, when the fear is no longer there, you realize that this thing has no power over you. You know, it's just a thing.
Murielle Fellous 38:25
That's why I'm grateful for my depression, because I had it kicked my rear. When I had to change, I literally changed the way I was doing life. And that was such a blessing because what came after that was a teen suicidal attempt, which I went through with such more strength. Staying more in my center, it didn't throw me off the horse, I had to attend what I had to attend. When my son was in the psychiatric hospital. I thought about that when I was going to see him or when I was talking with the doctor, or when something really relevant to the situation had to be done. Believe it or not, I surprised myself because it didn't ruin my entire day. Work normally, I was able to even have moments of joy, because I had changed the way I do things. And I knew he was safe where he was I knew what I could do to help him I knew he also had a connection to his higher power that would help him and somehow if you don't nurture yourself, you cannot be you cannot be there. It's like trying to save someone who's drowning while going in the water and stay on the boat and then pull them up. And I was so surprised I until today I'm like, I'm amazed by how he didn't kick me down as much as I would think I would have been if I didn't go through everything I went through before that. And
Harry Turner 39:56
in those process you also learn you're you know what I were deemed spiritual boundaries. Because so you know, the way that boundaries are taught, especially if the practitioner themselves aren't really healing. It's really spoken of mainly in honesty, I appreciate it no matter how its taught, but it's mainly spoken of like walls. I don't believe that that building walls would bring us together. I don't think that love asks us to build walls. And so for me from the onset of the introduction of that phrasing, I know, there had to be a higher choice. And it's really acknowledging the limits of boundary. So again, having a beginner's mind and look at the definition of what a boundary is, even though we all know what it is, we think we know, you know. So I looked up the definition, and it's the limits of the thing, the limit of a thing is really what establishes the boundary. And so I say, Okay, what is healthy boundaries? It is the limits of what is healthy for me. And so you start to realize how much worrying and fritton and trying to control things that you've been doing, which are outside of your control, like, I can feel it, you know, like, it's unhealthy. The way that I'm operating in this space, you become acutely aware of it. And then from that space, it's okay, what's what's healthy for me now, what is healthy, because healthy isn't based off of whatever the, you know, American standard diet is, or whatever, you know that that is not, that's not what it's about. It's about truly based off of my energy, based off of the gifts that I have, based off of the territory that I feel I've been divinely given to govern over, what are the limits of this territory. And outside of that, I'm gonna give it to God, because I can't do anything about it anyway, because I wasn't given the authority to govern that space. And so for me to boundaries, also let you know, the territory that you have to govern, which requires governance and governance requires a certain set of principles that you live by.
Murielle Fellous 41:58
And for me, that was the first thing when I talked about zone of power and zone of powerlessness, I had to relinquish my desire to control the zone of powerlessness. First of all control, I don't try to control anything anymore, because control is a trap. But acknowledging that there was a zone where I didn't have power and giving that to God. And when I talk about boundaries with people, I also talk about inner boundaries, because I had a tendency as a mom to terrorize myself through catastrophizing, what could happen, the worst case scenario in the middle of the night, oh, my God, what I was doing to myself, so I had to set boundaries within me where I was no longer allowed to go there. If I started to go there, that was like, no, like, you know, a two year old is going to put a fork in a socket, you stop them right away, I had to intervene. I had to break the pattern I had to really on the spot. That's the boundary. That's what
Harry Turner 43:01
spiritual boundaries are. For me. I have clients that come to me who has a loved one that's struggling with mental illness, and who are suicidal. And they're like, I don't know how to not worry about this constantly. Let me ask you, out as you're wherever you change anything, I feel like I have to let's change that up as a thought. And it's a choice. No, you don't have to, this is a choice, you're choosing to, because you believe that in some kind of way, you are paying the wages, you know, this year good person, if you worry constantly, that's what makes you a good whatever, family members, spouse, you know, brother, sister, whatever, that has nothing to do with your worth, as a family member, or the role that you play in that system. You know, it's
Murielle Fellous 43:46
an illusion of protection. We think that if we worry from all like a Rubik's Cube, from all the angle of the problem, we're going to be able to protect ourselves. But no, that's the opposite.
Harry Turner 43:58
And you have to accept and when you accept, you find yourself again to that clarity, that peace and that clarity, able to make new choices, choices that you didn't believe that you were strong enough to make before. Because in reality, those options, you couldn't even see those options from the level that you are operating from, which was fear and doubt that the options that you'll see available to you are very, very limited. And they're based off of primal animal instincts. And so based off of this primal animal instincts, I know that if a person feels helpless, for example, they've dropped down to the dorsal vagal, they have activated that part of the autonomic nervous system. And so now they're in a free state, so the bear is on top of them. So I already know that these experience these emotions of overwhelm, and all these other things are they're based off of that, you know, body's bodily symptoms may or may not be showing up. I'm already knowing the profile because animal instincts are very predictable. And so when we're relying on fear, we rely on the animal instincts. Animal Instincts weren't designed I for us to navigate these really energetic interactions that we're having the way that we understand ourselves. You know, because we're energy having a human experience, we're spirit having a human experience, and sort of way that we understand ourselves from the animal mind is limited. Science is beginning to catch up more and more. We didn't have this back during the day when Jesus was walking around, or when Buddha was walking around, or even the science now that's coming out, confirms what has already been said time and time again for eons. Yeah, there's no, there's no. And I knew that from out the gate is just that our understanding is limited, you know, and so true love, you know, this God consciousness, it's para rational, it is Hera, you know, rational meaning it goes beyond, it doesn't sit beneath a lot of people who like to pretend, you can tell they pretending because their rationality, their understanding, or when they're operating in what appears to be not ration, based off of what they say is God experience. You see, it's a whole lot of superstition that's going on. superstition, ism, it's a mental activity whenever we as humans, whenever we don't understand something, the mind like and we will we fear it, the mind comes up with superstition to deal with it. But God doesn't operate from a level of superstition, you know, like it goes beyond that. So you have to understand the rational when you understand the rational, you go beyond that you could even see in the rational how the power rational connects to the rational, how in truth, the power rational is given birth to what you see in the rational. That's what you begin to see. Yes. So above, so below, go ahead,
Murielle Fellous 46:44
I'm sorry. That's what should govern or direct our decisions. I have friends who are very rational, and they have a very hard time with anything that is not. And I made some of the decisions in my life, even moving countries, with my intuition with the feeling I had in my stomach, with, I also put cards for myself sometimes, but with what I feel what I feel, and I can't explain exactly how it feels, I know the reference for me from the Yes, and the No, but explaining it to someone else, it's very hard, especially if they don't practice it themselves. But I trust that more than even trained to go pros and cons only. I trust that more because it has never led me to a place where it wasn't better
Harry Turner 47:38
than what you were talking about earlier about your son, the example you gave me about him and him, you know, if you didn't believe it to be true, you know, why would you even respond to it, you know, it's like me believing I'm a Caucasian female, if somebody called me that would even acknowledge it. But there's a lot of things that we call ourselves that are out of alignment, the way that we look at ourselves, we have to face the fact that sometimes we are operating in exact same space where we are acknowledging things that aren't really
Unknown Speaker 48:07
true for us. And
Harry Turner 48:09
that may lead us back to intuition, because this is the connection that I'm making. That intuitive awareness requires you to have some courage, which is not being absent of fear. But the choice to be intentional about moving forward, in spite of being afraid. And so when you sit still enough for that intuition, to hit you, because essentially, it's it's, again, it's para rational, you know, and like what you were saying earlier, people look at you crazy. That's what the mind will do. When I was doing psychiatric assessments. If somebody came in, and they were having a thought disorder, if they said, someone is sitting beside them, and I saw somebody sitting beside them, no big deal. They said, somebody sitting beside them, nobody's sitting beside them. Okay, we have a problem. But that's based off of what I don't see, not based off of what they see, when we see things that other people don't see, the natural human tendency is to treat us like we're crazy. And that's especially their space where faith has to come in. Because faith is not belief in what you do see, but acceptance of the unseen, you've already accepted that what your intuitive awareness is telling you is your truth. And you have to be intentional about responding to that intuitive awareness, that vision that you see in that space, because intentionality reflects relationship right now is still just a vision. But you've got to pour energy into that vision. And then eventually, just like Wayne or water molecules in the sky, it becomes dense enough to where it has to collapse from the realm of potentiality into an actuality, to material. Yeah, that's it. That's it, and I see it but it's beautiful, it flowed it flowing the way it needs to flow because I also want to bank vulnerability to this let people know Hey, even though I speak the way I speak, I'm still part of this journey. And so there's still an ego that's guiding this avatar that's in control of his avatar that I have to constantly address. You have to everyday wake up and connect your daily mission to your values based intention so that way your motivation gets turned on to our power because it's no longer dependent on how you feel, it's just who you are, it is now your new lifestyle, it's a choice that you have intentionally to say, I'm going to stay committed to this because this is how I operate, because this reflects who I am based off of that high frequency choice. And then you remember that discipline, the definition of discipline is staying loyal to what you said you were going to do, long after the mood you said it in has left you and you have to no longer become dependent on you feeling a certain kind of way. Because some days, you're not gonna feel like doing it.
Murielle Fellous 50:30
I suffered from chronic back pain, so I go on enough to swimming. And last winter, it was so cold, and I learned to trick my brain by saying, I'll go for 10 minutes. But of course, once I'm there, I'm not doing the 10 minutes only I do need to for 45 minutes is swimming. But I tricked my brain into initially going because the mood is not there. Like you said. That's how he was able to have discipline.
Harry Turner 50:58
Yes. And then in paint, there's so much more we could talk about. Unfortunately, we can't bring this one to a close. But I do want to ask at least one of the structure questions. All right. As we look to the future, what are your hopes for those you work with? And how do you see the concept of co parenting with the universe evolving?
Murielle Fellous 51:18
So first of all, my mission is that no mom would struggle alone like I did. Because there is no reason for it. And it was so hard. And the future of co parenting. So when I said I want my business to go to the next level, I am currently creating a course where the name came into a meditation, I was looking for it like four month bouncing back ideas with my daughter, because he's very good with words. And I was like, how am I going to call it and I was meditating the other day, and the name dropped. I said, okay, cool. And I want to start developing some tools where I'm going to be live, but also when people can refer back to when they are in a time of challenge. Let's say it's three o'clock in the morning, they have a hard time they go and they find the exact tool or tapping video to help them in the moment like I was in the middle of the night in anxiety. And the rest I don't know because I'm guided, I don't know what's going to be the universe has a way better imagination vision than me. I don't know yet.
Harry Turner 52:27
We, the experience we choose. We make choices. This is how we work. This is how we solicit or make our prayer request from an energetic level energetically we know the experience we're seeking. what it's gonna look like We divorce ourselves from outcome. So we no longer even need to know what it looks like. Because we know we're gonna have that experience no matter what it looks like.
Murielle Fellous 52:52
That's faith. I have information that I do regularly. I love what I do. I do something that I love working with people I love in ways that I love for an income that I love under the universe just surprising. See,
Harry Turner 53:10
I just caught on to something my dad too. I followed you. And then right there that in when you said for the income I love. It was like yes, that's true. And that's new Harry, that's new. You same for the income that you love, like saying those words. So thank you for that. Thank you. facts, facts, facts. Thank you for blessing the stage, you know, thank you for being here and definitely going to invite you back because there's a lot more that you and I can talk about. You see, I said this before when there is an alignment of energies, and there's a sharing that goes on in that alignment. There's no losing and the giving is only an amplification of what's already there. And so I felt myself becoming more and more amplified throughout this dialogue. And so I would definitely love for you to come back. That links are going to be at the bottom when y'all listen to this so y'all know how to contact Miss Marielle Did I pronounce your name correctly?
Murielle Fellous 54:07
No. Yeah, yes, Footloose is more like the French way of saying it is for loose, loose.
Harry Turner 54:13
I love that exit yo fit loose feel loose. It was something else she was saying earlier to I was like my sick model model. Model. No, no, I'm sorry. Don't mimic me how you say it how you say it. I'm saying like yeah, that way I love it. No, keep that accent. I was like
Murielle Fellous 54:39
when my kids were young, I was telling them always go and broom the floor and I never realized it was correct. Until what they told their friend No, I have to prove the fraud isn't what? That's not the right way to say it.
Harry Turner 54:55
No, but keep it though. It's understood, you know, the message got conveyed. That's all that As you know, and where are you located again?
Murielle Fellous 55:02
Right now I'm in Israel. Israel. Oh,
Harry Turner 55:05
yeah, Israel right now. Okay. And where are you originally from?
Murielle Fellous 55:08
Originally from France, around Paris, the suburb of Paris, but I lived 25 years in the US.
Harry Turner 55:15
Okay. All right, gotcha. What part?
Murielle Fellous 55:18
So I lived in California, in Riverside, California, and I lived 17 years in Las Vegas.
Harry Turner 55:27
Oh, okay, you are experienced, I like that exploration. I like to get out and travel a little bit more myself. So I appreciate you. And please let the people know, I'm gonna step out for a second, please let the people know where they can find you and get in contact with you and again, the services that you provide.
Murielle Fellous 55:43
So they can contact me at a co parenting with the universe.com. Or on YouTube, same thing co parenting with the universe.com because I put videos weekly, and I have mostly moms. But lately, I even had dads who struggle with acting up teenagers or depressed teenagers with their emotional regulation and try to find our solutions because we always have the key to our challenges, we add our own inner wisdom. And I teach them to cooperate with the universe, of course,
Harry Turner 56:19
thank you so much for being on the set. Outliers. Thank you all for listening to this live stream episode for being a part of it. I encourage you, this is gonna be lit Fridays, if you're gonna be email lists, you will receive an email with a link to these future live streams. We have another one happening today at 4pm Central Standard Time. So I encourage you if you're available to show up for that one, because it's also going to be lit. And again, this episode this season rather, is about living in truth what is living in truth. It's living in alignment with who you are authentically according to your higher frequency, the highest frequency you can think of based off of love, gratitude, appreciation, these things. That's really what your truth is. And if you're not living in alignment, if that doesn't resonate with you, then I got news for you right now you're living in non-truth. But again, if you go deep enough, eventually we all reach the same center. So if you go deep enough into that non-truth that you've been operating in, eventually you will hit truth and then that truth will make you for you. The nocturnal therapists are appreciate y'all this has been another episode of season four, agape and stay L.I.T. as we continue another chapter of "Is that SOO?" I hope our journey today has left you with more than just thoughts but a call to live intentionally, live intentionally deeply, authentically and truthfully. The path of self discovery of Self knowledge is infinite a labyrinth where each turn reveals more of who we are and can be that this conversation be a lantern in the dark guiding you back to yourself time and again, until we meet next outlier. Continue to seek question and live in the profound truth that defines your existence. Agape and stay L.I.T. Live In Truth.
